Quote:Would you compromise religious doctrine to win a lawsuit? The Colorado-based Catholic Health Initiatives appeared to do so in order to win a malpractice suit, arguing that it could not be held liable in a wrongful-death suit because "a fetus is not a person."

And this one is a more detailed link on the story:



But really...are any of us surprised at this? No. No we aren't, are we?

Of course not. As with every religion money talks and bullshit walks.

Especially considering this is catholics we're talking about. How did Napoleon Bonaparte put it? Ah, yes...

Quote:"I am surrounded by priests who repeat incessantly that their kingdom is not of this world, and yet they lay their hands on everything they can get."

Remember the religious are no better than anyone else, infact they admittedly worse than those who believe that they can get by on their morality. That is why we seek atonement. Is it truly so shocking that we are found to be in line with our self admitted nature?

Nah, Drippy...we know you are all full of shit.

(January 25, 2013 at 1:18 am)Drich Wrote: Remember the religious are no better than anyone else, infact they admittedly worse than those who believe that they can get by on their morality. That is why we seek atonement. Is it truly so shocking that we are found to be in line with our self admitted nature?

"Lead not by word, but by example."
-Attributed to various sources

Words of wisdom that Christians rarely seem to be able to comprehend. Atonement means little when you are supposed to be spreading the word of your god and all you are doing is nullifying the words by your actions. Especially when you weaken the explanation by stating that it's all ok because you confess to an intangible entity your sins thus making them not sins any longer. Makes the whole thing really hollow.

This is why I love it when political or any other disputes are made subject of the law and evolve to be legal cases.

No matter if it`s about the question if creationism should be equaly treated like evolution is in school, if a fetus is a person, or anything else.

A judge, prossecution and jury dont mess arround and dont care about assumptions or beliefs.

Facts are all that count in a court of law and those who dont understand that, fall on their nose.

(January 25, 2013 at 1:42 am)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: A judge, prossecution and jury dont mess arround and dont care about assumptions or beliefs.

Facts are all that count in a court of law and those who dont understand that, fall on their nose.

Facts are utterly irrelevant in court. What matters is how disingenuous and hard to understand the lawyer is. The more word salad made by the prosecution: the more likely a person is to be declared guilty. The more word salad made by the accused: the more likely to be acquitted.

Ultimately, it's all about presentation and misleading the audience. Boy but being a lawyer would be fun And you don't even have to possess a degree in law to be a judge in most places in the USA

That`s in your courts, because of your jury trial system.
Which I think is the most dumbest thing on the planet.
Letting a group of random strangers decide if someone is guilty or not.


Here the jury consists of 1-3 judges.
The question of guilty or not guilty is also determined throughout the trial, but in the end, prosecution and defence do not propose a "guilty" or "not guilty" in their concluding speech, but the sentence they see as fiting.

(January 25, 2013 at 2:00 am)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: That`s in your courts, because of your jury trial system.
Which I think is the most dumbest thing on the planet.
Letting a group of random strangers decide if someone is guilty or not.

Oh, the best thing about it is that in many cases: they aren't even allowed to ask questions. Or speak.



Our justice system is absolutely horrible

Quote:Here the jury consists of 3 judges.
The question of guilty or not guilty is also determined throughout the trial, but in the end, prosecution and defence do not propose a "guilty" or "not guilty" in their concluding speech, but the sentence they see as fiting.

See? We're so indoctrinated that I don't even understand that. Any of it