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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm
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(February 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Drich Wrote:  .....
Then why offer attonement in your view?
Attonement is to bridge the gap for those who fail to meet what you have identified as a totalitarianism. Is this how you understand Tot-ism to work?
Meaning Attonement allows us to live work and function outside the absolute standard of Righteousness God has placed on us, and still be considered righteous.
You say this, and yet it never occurs to you that it's either a mistake, or intentional malice, on God's part to apply an absolute standard of righteousness to people when he never gave them the capacity to meet it.
What you call 'atonement' is really nothing but a special favor for people who accept the rule of the dictator without resistance. It has nothing to do with righteousness at all.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:19 pm
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-and a special punishment for those who resist the rule of a tyrant. Drich has asked me before, "What can you do" the answer is simple, resist.
This puts his fairy in a shitty position, either he addresses those greivances or exposes himself as a tyrant, not that Drich would give a shit either way, he'll bow the knee regardless, he's terrified of what he believes this entity can accomplish with it's magic.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:35 pm
(February 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...It's either a mistake, or intentional malice, on God's part to apply an absolute standard of righteousness to people when he never gave them the capacity to meet it. Drich, you must admit he has a point. Why does the Word insist throughout that we must repent and follow the ways of the Lord if we haven't the capacity to do as he instructs? I think your "absolute standard" requirement misses the mark.
I know the traditional view is that the Law's sole purpose is to help us identify our sinfulness in comparision. But is that it? I don't think so. Surely it has another purpose and I believe that purpose is to teach us how to love so that by loving we may find favor in His sight.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:37 pm
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What value have you assumed his "favor" carries? I'm going with "no value", personally. In "his sight" or beyond it. These are assumptions which you cannot simply avoid addressing and continue to pretend that you are discussing a valid or worthwhile concept.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm
So ultimately it's not particularly relevant that anyone keep the law, one simply has to accept Jesus as one's lord and saviour to be saved? Is that essentially what being apart fromt he law means?
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:47 pm
It means whatever is convenient for the speaker QM.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:49 pm
I know, I'm asking what Drich specifically is trying to say. Reading the various books in the bible about the point, there's conflicting notions as to which parts of the law no longer apply to Christians.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:54 pm
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...and whatever answer he offers will be convenient and in-line with whatever his religious point of view happens to be at the moment, which is to be expected, and which will get you no-where with regards to the issue addressed.
In short, Drich has never in all of his time here, shared any knowledge about the subject with anyone (imho - because he possesses no such knowledge, but hell, maybe he does and he's just stingy).
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 7:59 pm
That's too bad, I was hoping for something I could look into, you know. I suppose this is really the wrong topic though.
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RE: what being apart from the law means.
February 22, 2013 at 10:39 pm
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(February 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm)Rhythm Wrote: One would be an expression of my doubts with regards to the depth of your faith, the next would be a commentary on your counterparts inability to offer anything other than a trite little catchphrase.
Questions? I was just following the jeopardy them and phrasing my answer in the form of a question.
(February 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote: (February 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm)Drich Wrote: .....
Then why offer attonement in your view?
Attonement is to bridge the gap for those who fail to meet what you have identified as a totalitarianism. Is this how you understand Tot-ism to work?
Meaning Attonement allows us to live work and function outside the absolute standard of Righteousness God has placed on us, and still be considered righteous.
You say this, and yet it never occurs to you that it's either a mistake, or intentional malice, on God's part to apply an absolute standard of righteousness to people when he never gave them the capacity to meet it.
What you call 'atonement' is really nothing but a special favor for people who accept the rule of the dictator without resistance. It has nothing to do with righteousness at all. what are you talking about? We were created perfectly and lived in God's will in his presents, until we chose to separate ourselves from Him.
(February 22, 2013 at 7:35 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (February 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...It's either a mistake, or intentional malice, on God's part to apply an absolute standard of righteousness to people when he never gave them the capacity to meet it. Drich, you must admit he has a point. Why does the Word insist throughout that we must repent and follow the ways of the Lord if we haven't the capacity to do as he instructs? I think your "absolute standard" requirement misses the mark.
I know the traditional view is that the Law's sole purpose is to help us identify our sinfulness in comparision. But is that it? I don't think so. Surely it has another purpose and I believe that purpose is to teach us how to love so that by loving we may find favor in His sight. Sin=Choice. We were give the opportunity for choice from the beginning. Even before we knew what sin was we had opportunity for choice (tree of knowledge represented that original choice.). Even so the simple act of choosing separates us from God. (As per the consequences of eating from that tree proved)
As with the garden, We have been given choice so that we may choose to be with God. But, like I said the simple act of choosing nullifies the choice we make to be with God.
Enter atonement. Now we have the ability to live outside of the rules of "tot-ism" and can still obtain the righteousness needed to spend eternity with the one we choose to be with.
(February 22, 2013 at 7:35 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (February 22, 2013 at 7:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote: ...It's either a mistake, or intentional malice, on God's part to apply an absolute standard of righteousness to people when he never gave them the capacity to meet it. Drich, you must admit he has a point. Why does the Word insist throughout that we must repent and follow the ways of the Lord if we haven't the capacity to do as he instructs? I think your "absolute standard" requirement misses the mark.
I know the traditional view is that the Law's sole purpose is to help us identify our sinfulness in comparision. But is that it? I don't think so. Surely it has another purpose and I believe that purpose is to teach us how to love so that by loving we may find favor in His sight. Sin=Choice. We were give the opportunity for choice from the beginning. Even before we knew what sin was we had opportunity for choice (tree of knowledge represented that original choice.). Even so the simple act of choosing separates us from God. (As per the consequences of eating from that tree proved)
As with the garden, We have been given choice so that we may choose to be with God. But, like I said the simple act of choosing nullifies the choice we make to be with God.
Enter atonement. Now we have the ability to live outside of the rules of "tot-ism" and can still obtain the righteousness needed to spend eternity with the one we choose to be with.
(February 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm)Question Mark Wrote: So ultimately it's not particularly relevant that anyone keep the law, one simply has to accept Jesus as one's lord and saviour to be saved? Is that essentially what being apart fromt he law means?
Being separated for the law means we are separated from the law as our only way to obtain righteousness. Separated meaning Christ made it impossible for anyone to follow the law and be found righteous before God.
The only way to find the righteousness/atonement Christ offers is to love your Lord God with all of your heart, mind, spirit, and strength. To love your enemies as yourself (which includes forgiving those who have sinned against you, as you have sinned against God.) and to be faithful to what you have been given. This is what it means to accept Christ as your savior.
(February 22, 2013 at 7:54 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ...and whatever answer he offers will be convenient and in-line with whatever his religious point of view happens to be at the moment, which is to be expected, and which will get you no-where with regards to the issue addressed.
In short, Drich has never in all of his time here, shared any knowledge about the subject with anyone (imho - because he possesses no such knowledge, but hell, maybe he does and he's just stingy).
Has anyone here asked?
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