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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm
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(March 19, 2013 at 8:43 pm)mo66 Wrote: It is literally impossible to punish thought-crime, how on God's green earth can anyone do that? If a person blasphemes publicly, then yes, it is possible to take action, but just thinking about it will definitely go unnoticed lol Impossible for whom, surely not for allah? But, to roll with your observation, if the religious thought police -could- detect blasphemous thoughts...would they punish them (laying aside that thought crime can and has been detected and punished - regardless of how shakey the charge)?
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm
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(March 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (March 19, 2013 at 8:43 pm)mo66 Wrote: It is literally impossible to punish thought-crime, how on God's green earth can anyone do that? If a person blasphemes publicly, then yes, it is possible to take action, but just thinking about it will definitely go unnoticed lol Impossible for whom, surely not for allah? Can you stop being vague please, if you're asking a question, ask it clearly, so I can provide a clear response. You didn't say anything about Allah's punishment, I thought you were talking about shar'i punishments in an Islamic state.
(March 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: But, to roll with your observation, if the religious thought police -could- detect blasphemous thoughts...would they punish them (laying aside that thought crime can and has been detected and punished - regardless of how shakey the charge)? No, thought crimes cannot be punished under any circumstances by any human.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 8:51 pm
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Was I being vague? I thought this was a "questions about islam" thread, not a "questions about sharia" thread. I'll rephrase with more brevity.
Do you subscribe to the notion that allah will enforce punitive measures against those who commit thought crimes deemed as sinful, or do you subscribe to the notion that only allah knows whom will be punished and for what they will be punished (or some other alternative - those two simply being the most common in my experience).
(March 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm)mo66 Wrote: No, thought crimes cannot be punished under any circumstances by any human.
Why not?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 8:54 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 8:45 pm)mo66 Wrote: (March 19, 2013 at 8:44 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: And be completely disbelieved. Congratulations for stringing a sentence together.
Thanks.
I can even string sentences together when I'm drunk. Can you?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm
(March 19, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Was I being vague? I thought this was a "questions about islam" thread, not a "questions about sharia" thread. I'll rephrase with more brevity.
Do you subscribe to the notion that allah will enforce punitive measures against those who commit thought crimes deemed as sinful, or do you subscribe to the notion that only allah knows whom will be punished and for what they will be punished (or some other alternative - those two simply being the most common in my experience).
(March 19, 2013 at 8:48 pm)mo66 Wrote: No, thought crimes cannot be punished under any circumstances by any human.
Why not? Islam has lot of different subsections, you need to make clear what area we are discussing.
Both. This isn't either-or I'm afraid. Allah knows who will be punished and why, Allah will also punish those who disbelieve in Him.
Because Allah doesn't allow it. Simple as that. There is a lot of textual evidence to back up this claim.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm
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(March 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm)mo66 Wrote: Islam has lot of different subsections, you need to make clear what area we are discussing.
Both. This isn't either-or I'm afraid. Allah knows who will be punished and why, Allah will also punish those who disbelieve in Him.
Because Allah doesn't allow it. Simple as that. There is a lot of textual evidence to back up this claim. No, making some subsect of islam clear would be your job. Fair enough, little bit of both. Allah could, if allah willed, decide not to punish one person for blasphemy but simultaneously punish another for the same thought crime, could he not?
Textual evidence of a claim about a god does not verify the accuracy of the claim Mo. There's alot of textual evidence that Zues threw thunderbolts, after all, and I doubt that you find this very compelling. What it does do, is provide the (proposed) source for your beliefs on the matter, in your interpretation of the text.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 9:05 pm
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(March 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (March 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm)mo66 Wrote: Islam has lot of different subsections, you need to make clear what area we are discussing.
Both. This isn't either-or I'm afraid. Allah knows who will be punished and why, Allah will also punish those who disbelieve in Him.
Because Allah doesn't allow it. Simple as that. There is a lot of textual evidence to back up this claim. No, making some subsect of islam clear would be your job. Fair enough, little bit of both. Allah could, if allah willed, decide not to punish one person for blasphemy but simultaneously punish another for the same thought crime, could he not?
Textual evidence of a claim about a god does not verify the accuracy of the claim Mo. There's alot of textual evidence that Zues threw thunderbolts, after all, and I doubt that you find this very compelling. What it does do, is provide the (proposed) source for your beliefs on the matter, in your interpretation of the text. No, that's your job. You need to be clearer or I will not answer your questions.
Textual evidence only applies to those who believe in the text i.e muslims. You asked me a question about Islam, hence I'm obviously going to invoke Islamic text, doesn't take a genius to figure that one out bud.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Why give him textual evidence if you know he doesn't believe in it?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 9:11 pm
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(March 19, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Why give him textual evidence if you know he doesn't believe in it? Are you brain dead? Have you any idea how stupid you sound? If someone asks a question about newtonian physics, you think they're not allowed to quote principia mathematica because the questioner doesn't "believe" it? If someone ask a question about the "God delusion" written by Richard Dawkins, you're going to have to refer to it somehow, irrelevant of whether or not the questioner believes what it says.
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RE: Any questions on Islam?
March 19, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Let's get one thing straight here...you believe in fairy tales. You therefore do not have the credibility to call me brain dead.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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