Yeah but the bible doesn't say, "follow this and then in the end thing'll be all right."
It says, heaven/hell, your choice. Forever.
If it's all a ruse and at the end of the race we get all get a cake: then fuck him for making it a life or death struggle race in the first place. Because people are living their lives here with that belief, meanwhile shit happens that can never be taken back.
There is no benevolence sufficient to rectify the wrongs endured in this life. They've happened, it's out there.
As for praise for overcoming adversity: Most of us don't overcome, we all succumb in one way or another. Hence the rampant evil that god supposedly must squash by ripping babies out of mothers wombs in the OT and then in the NT it doesn't get much better in Revelations, either.
In short, god HATES us. I said it, he hates. He hates this, he hates that, he hates these things, those people, he hates them so much he can't stand them.
He takes revelry in the tribulations people will endure in the end times, that's how much he hates them.
Any benevolence is lost, at this point. Any evil that exists is his fault, as he's the creator. Evils that happen are his fault. I was born innocent. God even says there are innocents, babies and children included. And yet he slices them down too in the OT. They aren't fed by the earth or whatever nowadays, 10k/day are starving and dying. The bible explicitly says god is unchanging. Then Revelations in the NT shows that he indeed does not change. So this god with a sick way of showing love: can shove it where the sun don't shine.
I'm confident in saying this, because he doesn't exist or I'd be going to hell huh?

(March 25, 2013 at 11:31 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: strodel will have to keep telling all of us that we're horrible people - sinners and hedonists - so that he knows he's a good person. Having a different opinion invalidates his own, because deep down he's that insecure - he can't just be happy with his own beliefs and truths. Mostly because they're wrong, but also because his self-esteem and self-worth are all riding on them.

I think there are several factors that cause him to hold fervently to his religious beliefs, make unjustified assumptions, and act sanctimoniously, but I am starting to come to the conclusion that the most influential factor is that he's just a prick.

(March 25, 2013 at 1:39 pm)Faith No More Wrote: I think there are several factors that cause him to hold fervently to his religious beliefs, make unjustified assumptions, and act sanctimoniously, but I am starting to come to the conclusion that the most influential factor is that he's just a prick.

I wish there was a mutant, Lovecraftian hand with hundreds of twitching thumbs so I could use them all to kudo this.

I wish there was the same, just so I could kudos that description.

(March 25, 2013 at 11:09 am)Tonus Wrote: This is an all too common approach with theists, that anything that happens can be rationalized into something good.

Not all the time. When someone goes to Hell it is always a tragedy.

(March 25, 2013 at 4:40 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 11:09 am)Tonus Wrote: This is an all too common approach with theists, that anything that happens can be rationalized into something good.

Not all the time. When someone goes to Hell it is always a tragedy.

Well, I have good news for you.

Hell doesn't exist, hence no one goes to hell, hence no tragedy!

Too bad all problems aren't that easy to solve.

Definately is a tragedy. I have cried because of the lost many times. It is sad that people reject God. But I will never blame God for punishing sinners. I am thankful that God punishes sinners, I just wish there wouldn't be sinners.

Justice is sweet, but it is not sweet to see the wicked punished.


I am not sanctimonious. I have spent 3 or 4 years of my life learning to be humble. I think about aspects of how pride corrupts my relationship with God and trying to avoid it very regularly, it is something that I have striven to overcome. I can promise you that I never write things because I am trying to feel good about myself, I write to convict of sin so that repentance may be brought about. I was warned for preaching about hell, so I will refrain from doing this in the future.

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(March 25, 2013 at 5:22 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 4:40 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Not all the time. When someone goes to Hell it is always a tragedy.

Well, I have good news for you.

Hell doesn't exist, hence no one goes to hell, hence no tragedy!

Too bad all problems aren't that easy to solve.

Do you think there is any tragedy is guilty people go free?

Guilty people go free all the time. Innocent people get punished just as often. Therein lies the tragedy of which you speak, the modern approach to the legal system, in which all-too often there is as much resemblance to justice as two other equally dissimilar things. Death is the universal leveller.

God's punishment is merely your way of dealing with the idea that the only punishment we have is what we manage to mete out here and now, and it will never satisfy our baser desires.

(March 25, 2013 at 8:29 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I am not sanctimonious.

Followed immediately by a bunch of sanctimonious rambling. I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art.

Quote:Do you think there is any tragedy is guilty people go free?

I think it is a malicious, criminal tragedy to condemn a person to endless torture because they want proof that you exist.