(March 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Historically he's highly disputed still as well. You have to be very generous. Discuss with Min.

Does he have any special credentials or books written that have wide scholarly approval? The historicity of Jesus is a well attested fact.

Sure it is, sugar. In the same library in your head as the documentation for hell.

God spoke to me and revealed the nature of hell personally. I have the documentation myself.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God spoke to me and revealed the nature of hell personally. I have the documentation myself.

On paper, audio or video?

could you share it?



I always like to listen to other peoples dreams.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm)jstrodel Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 9:46 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: I said the Biblical Jesus never existed. The Bible shows us that his story has been greatly exaggerated meaning that not much can be derived at all about him i.e. Jesus may have existed, but the Biblical Jesus most certainly didn't.

Do you have any evidence for that?

Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished", and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.


Well, would you look at that! From Clueless Jesus to Jesus On A Mission! Who would have thought that time made stories more fanstastic...

(March 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm)jstrodel Wrote: God spoke to me and revealed the nature of hell personally. I have the documentation myself.

Sure he did.

(March 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 9:47 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Do you have any evidence for that?

Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished", and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.


Well, would you look at that! From Clueless Jesus to Jesus On A Mission! Who would have thought that time made stories more fanstastic...

What does that prove?

(March 25, 2013 at 10:06 pm)jstrodel Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished", and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.


Well, would you look at that! From Clueless Jesus to Jesus On A Mission! Who would have thought that time made stories more fanstastic...

What does that prove?

*sigh* that the first Gospel (Mark) portrays Jesus as desperate and confused as to why God abandoned him. Then we get the last Gospel (John) portraying him as this big man who has it all under control and knows exactly why this is all happening to him. Classic example of a story being embellished to sound better than what it is.

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While many people don't do well facing adversity, many people do well. The greater the chance of failure, the greater the praise in success. What is important is to note the opportunity we been given to earn praiseworthiness. I feel personally honored by what life gives the opportunity of achieving.

Sure you can focus on people not doing well in facing adversity, but, perhaps the gems that do well, are worth the tribulations and suffering.

As far as peace goes in the long run, and happiness, I don't subscribe to religion, and the argument doesn't need a religion to be true, it's simply saying a benevolent Creator is possible in the world with evil and suffering and that in the long run, it's possible all humans (those who fail and those who are successful) will be at peace.

From that perspective, being given the opportunity to earn praise, would seem benevolent, specially down the line, billions years of peace and tranquility will make suffering in this world seem trivial.

The negation of premise would be that earned higher praise facing evil and suffering cannot be out a worthy goal of creating a world that encompasses evil and suffering. But this seems false to me.