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Can you ever believe that there is no God
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 (April 23, 2013 at 1:10 pm)Dawud Wrote: Can you really know that there is no such thing as God? The subject is one question. The post is another question. Belief and knowledge are not the same thing. Are you now going to pretend you do not know the difference or are you truly to stupid to understand the difference?  RE: Can you ever believe that there is no God
April 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2013 at 6:20 pm by Dawud.)
Lets take what's known in philosophy as Generic Philosophical Monotheism (GPM - get to know it if you are in to philosophy).
Basically the source of existence, separate from existence, Omniscient, Omnipotent... Apparently like this deist position referred to earlier. (Take note Minimalist as people now try to prove things without evidence - it can be done Minimalist and I'm sure some of our atheist friends will gladly attempt this age old thing using something called logic) So GPM... can you know that there is no such thing as this God. Don't worry, unlike minimalist I will accept rational proofs and not just an evidential claim... (PS I am not going to clutter up this discussion over whether or not it is possible to know if there is no God by providing evidence for God - read carefully: I'm asking if it is rationally possible to know that there is no God) The difference is up for grabs between belief and knowledge and has been since Plato highlighted the distinction between the two. I'll start another thread for that....
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 (April 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm)Dawud Wrote: I'm asking if it is rationally possible to know that there is no God Yes.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter 
It's rationally possible to know that Santa Claus does not exist, why not God?
(April 23, 2013 at 6:18 pm)Dawud Wrote: I'm asking if it is rationally possible to know that there is no GodWhich god, yours? The abrahamic one? Yes.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
So FINALLY rhythm you admit that you can have knowledge about God not existing.
But do you still maintain that this knowledge cannot cause any effect in behaviour? Please - yes or no (its been a long day)
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 RE: Can you ever believe that there is no God
April 23, 2013 at 6:28 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2013 at 6:30 pm by pocaracas.)
So.. I create a being (in my head, let's call it 'tac') that has no discernible interaction with our world, I claim tac exists and then ask of anyone who doesn't believe me: can you prove that tac doesn't exist?
If not, then there's a possibility that it does exist... There we go: we've just made up an infinity of entities that have no interaction with the Universe in any discernible manner. Is your behavior any different whether or not you believe in tac's existence? RE: Can you ever believe that there is no God
April 23, 2013 at 6:34 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 23, 2013 at 6:26 pm)Dawud Wrote: So FINALLY rhythm you admit that you can have knowledge about God not existing. Finally? No, it doesn't cause any effect in my behavior (but how are we suppose to measure this anyway?), why would it?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Please read again to understand my question pocaracas.
It is about if knowledge that there is no such thing as God can lead to someone to do something... Rhythm says no... I said that due to the irrational behaviour of humans that this knowledge could lead to something. He tries to evade by changing the goal post to not having knowledge about God but I say you can have have knowledge that God does not exist (as does Rhythm) but that this knowledge can also lead to behaviour... (Rhythm previously disagreed with the last bit)
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RE: Can you ever believe that there is no God
April 23, 2013 at 6:37 pm
(This post was last modified: April 23, 2013 at 6:39 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 23, 2013 at 6:34 pm)Dawud Wrote: Please read again to understand my question pocaracas. B-MINE Whats that....due to what again? Troll answers his own trollposts. The goalpost is the same here as it is in any of the other threads were you're peddling the same garbage (and has never moved). You need to do work.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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