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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 1:27 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 1:20 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Goddammit, you guys! Don't encourage him!
You think that's bad? 0.o
You haven't experienced some nondescript day this coming september or october
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 1:29 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 1:04 pm)smax Wrote: Apparently, he used to do a lot:
Vocally comminicate with leaders and prophets, perform miracles, institute and enforce laws and decrees, punish or destroy large quanities of people that pissed him off for one reason or another, come down and live among us, and a host of other things.
There you go, that's why we don't see him anymore... Genghis Khan died a long time ago.
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 1:31 pm
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(April 25, 2013 at 1:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: the people who wrote that shit had vivid imaginations.
Precisely the point.
(April 25, 2013 at 1:29 pm)Tonus Wrote: (April 25, 2013 at 1:04 pm)smax Wrote: Apparently, he used to do a lot:
Vocally comminicate with leaders and prophets, perform miracles, institute and enforce laws and decrees, punish or destroy large quanities of people that pissed him off for one reason or another, come down and live among us, and a host of other things.
There you go, that's why we don't see him anymore... Genghis Khan died a long time ago.
I don't know, man, Godschild evidently spoke to him this morning. Speaking of which, I would have loved for more of the conversational details to have been divulged here.
Was god just making the holy roller rounds this morning, or was there a specific reason for him checking in with godschild.
And, being that we have a local resident who regularly speaks to god, can a few of us unworthy get a few a messages and questions through?
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 1:50 pm
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The Christians definition of 'knowledge' is "what I wish to be true". They wish God was alive. That's how they 'know' he's alive.
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 1:56 pm
It is easy enough to write a book, claiming divine miracles and conversations with the deity, when one knows that shortly after he is dead that no one will be able to claim for certain that he was deluded as opposed to divinely inspired. No one hears or experiences any miracles today because none of it happened back then either. Once one realizes that it was all fictionally created, it becomes easy to understand that man tends to prefer fooling himself into the comfort of belief than accept there is no magical sky daddy looking over us all.
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 2:01 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 1:56 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: It is easy enough to write a book, claiming divine miracles and conversations with the deity, when one knows that shortly after he is dead that no one will be able to claim for certain that he was deluded as opposed to divinely inspired. No one hears or experiences any miracles today because none of it happened back then either. Once one realizes that it was all fictionally created, it becomes easy to understand that man tends to prefer fooling himself into the comfort of belief than accept there is no magical sky daddy looking over us all.
Yeah, but couldn't the writers have come up with a better god to delude themselves with?
All the gods I've heard of suck!
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 2:02 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 6:27 am)smax Wrote: why is assumed that he is still alive and well?
This largely depends on which religion you pose the question to.
In many religions God is not exactly alive so as to die. Moreover, in those same religions, God is immortal he or she cannot be destroyed.
In other religions Gods do die. In Christianity, Jesus dies on a cross, only to resurrect again (hits vid_restart on the rcon panel).
In ancient Egypt, it was believed that Osiris died and was resurrected by Isis using a spell she learned from her father.
It is true that the power of Gods seems to diminish as science and logic prevail but that is something different. It has to do with us (humans) using God as an answer to that which was mysterious and unknown.
In practice, God dies when people stop believing in his existence. So Zeus, is dead, but Rama is not.
I doesn't matter if the God really exists in the first place. What matters is that there are people who believe in his existence and are acting accordingly.
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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(April 25, 2013 at 2:01 pm)smax Wrote: Yeah, but couldn't the writers have come up with a better god to delude themselves with?
Writers with the ability to think more creatively should have been chosen to write the mythology.
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 2:08 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 1:31 pm)smax Wrote: I don't know, man, Godschild evidently spoke to him this morning. Speaking of which, I would have loved for more of the conversational details to have been divulged here.
I'm going to take a stab and say it was a very one-sided conversation.
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RE: How do you know God isn't dead?
April 25, 2013 at 2:08 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 2:04 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (April 25, 2013 at 2:01 pm)smax Wrote: Yeah, but couldn't the writers have come up with a better god to delude themselves with?
Writers with the ability to think more creatively should have been chosen to write the mythology.
I nominate Tolkien. His shit made sense.
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