Quote: And you know the plague was not ended sooner, how, you're sure the plague just ran it's coarse.

Because plagues happened in times and places where nobody believed in your god. Who answered their prayers?

(April 29, 2013 at 12:27 am)Ryantology Wrote:

Quote: And you know the plague was not ended sooner, how, you're sure the plague just ran it's coarse.

Because plagues happened in times and places where nobody believed in your god. Who answered their prayers?

Like I've said before, pray is not essential for God's grace.

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(April 29, 2013 at 12:20 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(April 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: as for this mornings prayer some here might not want to know what I talked to God about, anyway it's personal, so not this time.

Then why bring it up? If you're going for ineffable and mystical, I have to say it's been done better.

I wasn't going for anything other than answering another post. So what's your deal.

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(April 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote:

(April 28, 2013 at 3:41 am)Godschild Wrote: You sound as if you believe they are praying for help.

Historically it is difficult to find a plague in Christian Europe without mention of the accompanying prayers. It is equally difficult to find a report of prayer shortening the duration of the plague. Were you offering the observant a gimme? In fact there are many similar records of pagan prayers for plagues to the same null effect.

How can this be?

Neither you or I can answer for God's action or inaction of plagues. You can not have a result positive or negative without knowledge of what the end result would have been without God.

(April 28, 2013 at 10:28 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(April 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Historically it is difficult to find a plague in Christian Europe without mention of the accompanying prayers. It is equally difficult to find a report of prayer shortening the duration of the plague. Were you offering the observant a gimme? In fact there are many similar records of pagan prayers for plagues to the same null effect.

How can this be?

And you know the plague was not ended sooner, how, you're sure the plague just ran it's coarse.

By using epidemiology applied to pre and post Christian times and discovering the duration is as expected of course. Same results regardless as the god(s) getting the attention.

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(April 29, 2013 at 12:56 am)Godschild Wrote:

(April 29, 2013 at 12:27 am)Ryantology Wrote: Because plagues happened in times and places where nobody believed in your god. Who answered their prayers?

Like I've said before, pray is not essential for God's grace.

It is essential there be a difference of results between gods before one can claim it makes a difference which god.

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(April 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: Historically it is difficult to find a plague in Christian Europe without mention of the accompanying prayers. It is equally difficult to find a report of prayer shortening the duration of the plague. Were you offering the observant a gimme? In fact there are many similar records of pagan prayers for plagues to the same null effect.

How can this be?

Neither you or I can answer for God's action or inaction of plagues. You can not have a result positive or negative without knowledge of what the end result would have been without God.

ZERO difference regardless of the god. Therefore to claim there is any god or God action is pure invention without foundation in fact. Or you can so that no god, not even yours, does anything. Or you can say that all the gods, including yours, do the same thing.

(April 29, 2013 at 12:56 am)Godschild Wrote: Like I've said before, pray is not essential for God's grace.

Then why pray?

(April 29, 2013 at 12:56 am)Godschild Wrote: I wasn't going for anything other than answering another post.

Fair enough.

(April 29, 2013 at 12:56 am)Godschild Wrote: So what's your deal.

It is? I never knew that. Unless that was supposed to be a question; it's so hard to tell sometimes without the usual clue.

So, G-C, your god starts plagues so dumbfucks will pray for him to stop?

What a cocksucker of a god you have dreamed up for yourself.

(April 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(April 29, 2013 at 12:56 am)Godschild Wrote: Like I've said before, pray is not essential for God's grace.

Then why pray?

God's grace is an unearned gift, meaning grace does not necessarily require prayer. Though I do believe grace is more abundant to those who do pray, God does want those who love Him to talk with Him.

(April 29, 2013 at 12:56 am)Godschild Wrote: Like I've said before, pray is not essential for God's grace.

Irrelevant. They were praying to different gods, in defiance of the first Commandment. Yet, God mass-murdered countless millions of his most devoted followers by inflicting the bubonic plague upon them in various waves over a thousand or so years. Funny how all those other heathen places around the world suffered much less (or not at all), isn't it?

(April 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: God's grace is an unearned gift, meaning grace does not necessarily require prayer. Though I do believe grace is more abundant to those who do pray, God does want those who love Him to talk with Him.

Oh, GC, this is why we love you so much! Excellent value!

(April 25, 2013 at 6:27 am)smax Wrote: Being that god doesn't do anything anymore that makes his existence reasonably evident, why is assumed that he is still alive and well?

Clearly he has trouble getting good results from his experiments, who's to say he didn't inadvertently destroy himself, or do something to himself that rendered him useless.

Perhaps he finally tried to make that rock he himself couldn't lift, and then attempted to lift it, throwing his divine back out so to speak?

Or maybe he took the whole "free will" thing too far, limiting his own powers just enough to give Satan the edge in their eternal fued. And with that edge, Satan utterly destroyed him and decided that this whole experiment on Earth was just too damn boring and pointless, and then chose to leave it permanently unattended.

Then again, it could just be that god himself grew tired of this whole experiment and abandoned it. I mean, seriously, how long can humanity hold a god's interest?

What if god somehow committed a sin of some sort, and Jesus had to sacrifice his eternal existence to cover it? Then, without Jesus around to be man's living water, god decided to move on to other experiments.

Okay, last one, I promise:

God has already proven himself to be suicidal, as he actually manifest himself in human form for the very purpose of experiencing and sufferring death. Maybe he liked it a little, and decided to see how it would feel to experience it spiritually. And maybe that was his last experiment at all.

By the way, if god is alive and still interested in his humanity experiment, I challenge him to refix my head on backwards on my body by tommorow morning. I will then wear it that way for the rest of my life as a testament to his existence.

So, we'll all be putting this whole god business to rest within a day. Stay tuned for the results.

God causes things to exist... so since they're still existing... I'm going to assuming he's still working.

Gremlins cause watches to break. My watch is broken... so I'm going to assume that gremlins are still working around here somewhere.