Ideologue, why aren't you answering my question?

(May 20, 2013 at 4:53 pm)davidMC1982 Wrote: So you're saying that your reasons for being against homosexuality are religious (as I stated - and thank you for having the honesty to say so) but your reasons for being opposed to gay marriage are...... I'm not sure what your post is saying.

What is your overall position on marriage in the UK? Who should be able to marry who, should the government be involved, should polygamy be allowed etc, etc? This isn't a loaded question. I'm genuinely curious.

Well, the main reason I'm against gay marriage is the potential effect it might have on religious freedom, as I outlined in the first post. It is not acceptable for a gay couple to marry in mosques or to force an Imam or other religious figures to conduct such a ceremony. People can argue all they want how that isn't going to happen, but I see that happening, it's a very real possibility. The government have so far rejected all attempts by Muslim activists to apply the Church of England's exemption laws to Mosques.

There's been increased investigative undercover journalism over the past several of years in mosques where they film Imams giving sermons and lectures about how homosexuality "can lead to the fire of hell" or how it is "an evil sin" and then they show this as proof at how "extremism is creeping into faith schools and places of worship". How in the world is that extremism? To label homosexuality as a sin is as a part and parcel of delivering the correct message of the Qur'an, but the gay lobby won't stop funding govt think-tanks and journalists to look into these cases, they've been trying to fight religion right from the get-go and then they complain that Muslims do not want dialogue with gay activists.

Marriage laws don't really impact upon us Muslims anyway since the vast majority of Muslims do not get legally married under the law (this is a theological issue, the cases of marital laws, divorce laws, inheritance laws etc. we cannot abide by the 'legal' law so we exempt ourselves from it i.e. two muslims marry according to Islamic law and then live together as 'partners').

Polygamy again, is not really an issue for Muslims because we cannot legally marry anyway, the legal rulings of marriage and divorce aren't consistent with Islam, or Judaism for that matter, that's why Jews and Muslims take exemptions. Sorry, I should have phrased it better, Polygamy is illegal under the UK, so Muslims cannot marry multiple wives (which is a shame for some lol), but even if it was legal, Muslims wouldn't be able to marry multiple wives under the conditions set by any such law, since they wouldn't be consistent with Islamic law. Hopefully, that's easier to understand. But it would definitely be a step forward if polygamy was legalised, since then Imams could begin conducting polygamous marriages.

(May 20, 2013 at 5:11 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Ideologue, why aren't you answering my question?

Because he'd have to admit that he's scared that if homosexuality becomes much more socially acceptable, he'll lose one of the reasons he uses to justify hiding his own sexuality, even from himself.

(May 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Because he'd have to admit that he's scared that if homosexuality becomes much more socially acceptable, he'll lose one of the reasons he uses to justify hiding his own sexuality, even from himself.

Well, let see...I'm scared of paedophilia being socially acceptable, does that mean I'm a paedophile? I'm scared of rape being socially acceptable, am I rapist now, or what? This notion that opposing homosexuality makes a person homosexual, doesn't stand up to scrutiny on close inspection does it now haha

Uh, hi? Hello? Ideologue, what, then, has you against same-sex marriage, or any other form of alternative-type marriage?

(May 20, 2013 at 5:30 pm)ideologue08 Wrote:

(May 20, 2013 at 5:22 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Because he'd have to admit that he's scared that if homosexuality becomes much more socially acceptable, he'll lose one of the reasons he uses to justify hiding his own sexuality, even from himself.

Well, let see...I'm scared of paedophilia being socially acceptable, does that mean I'm a paedophile? I'm scared of rape being socially acceptable, am I rapist now, or what? This notion that opposing homosexuality makes a person homosexual, doesn't stand up to scrutiny on close inspection does it now haha

People are opposed to paedophilia and rape because they are crimes which fuck the victims up for life. Homosexuality is a legal, healthy, harmless sexual orientation.

So... Why are you scared of people falling in love and getting married if their genitals match? If my explanation is incorrect, by all means, correct me. Otherwise I'll assume I've hit the nail on he head.
It's a very common pattern, homophobes turning out to be repressed homosexuals. They've been so fucked up by homophobic brainwashing they internalise all that hate which mixes with their fear of being found out, and they express it in much the same way you have been posting.

(May 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: People are opposed to paedophilia and rape because they are crimes which fuck the victims up for life. Homosexuality is a legal, healthy, harmless sexual orientation.

Well, you're the one that said being 'scared' of something being socially acceptable => being that thing. You should have thought carefully before you posted that non sequitur shouldn't you? Here let me help you:

Nope. I never made that claim about fear of socially unacceptable things in general. I'm only making that claim regarding homophobes because it's common. Oh so very common. And true of homophobes in general.

But deep down you know thar, don't you? You'll be a much better person if you just allowed yourself to be you. You'd be happier and less bitter.

(May 20, 2013 at 5:53 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Nope. I never made that claim about fear of socially unacceptable things in general. I'm only making that claim regarding homophobes because it's common. Oh so very common. And true of homophobes in general.

No worries, I've got just the right cure for you Mrs. Fallacy, here you go.

Who do you think you're distracting?
It'll be noticed by everyone that you haven't denied what I said, you know, on account of it being pretty accurate. The thing is, we aren't homophobes, so we're not going to think badly of you if you just admit it, you'd be likely to get support from this place. Your sexuality isn't just going to go away if you hide it, really.