(June 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: after God was kicked out of our schools things have gotten worse. The legacy of the atheist "we beat God at school, look at the high price the kids have paid."

So you really believe that since children in school aren't being forced to recite a prayer every day that all these good, fine, upstanding Christian children are turning evil enough to shoot other good, fine, upstanding Christian kids? Why is it the school's job to indoctrinate children into a religion and not up to the parents?

Let's face it, what the school prayer issue is really all about to Christians is forcing religion upon other people's kids. That's what it's always been about, Christians losing power to force their religion upon others. Because why would good Christian kids need to be reminded to pray?

Religion in schools is clear indoctrination. I'm going to homeschool my children if possible to avoid that and encourage my children to think for themselves. Don't get me wrong, I know there are drawbacks to having children that think for themselves, and I'm not saying I would tolerate bad behavior. Still, I want to reinforce their individualism, not have it systematically broken down by the public education system.

(June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm)ronedee Wrote: Let us see where the moral compass points in a world w/o God?

We already live in such a world, you don't and neither does any other theist really believe in morals coming from god. They come from experience with other (real) beings and our nature.

Theists are just brainwashed to think they come some other authority than their own. In the end, the deciding factor for your morals is your own judgement, be it implicit or explicit.

I've looked into this god being kicked out of school claim. Turns out, they just put him in a closet.

(June 11, 2013 at 8:12 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: I've looked into this god being kicked out of school claim. Turns out, they just put him in a closet.

And god frowns upon coming out of the closet.

(June 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: So like I stated earlier after God was kicked out of our schools things have gotten worse. The legacy of the atheist "we beat God at school, look at the high price the kids have paid."

'God' wasn't kicked out or school.

Religious clubs are allowed at public schools. Students can pray anytime they want before school, during breaks, after school.

Sorry to burst your "society is falling apart" fantasy you have going on with a little bit of facts (facts must really suck for you, huh?), but crimes against children have been on a downward trend for decades.

As per Crimes Against Children Research Center -

- From 1990 to 2007, substantiated cases of child sexual abuse have declined 53% and physical abuse substantiations have declined 52%. Child neglect has declined only 6%, mostly fluctuating over the same period.
- From 1993 to 2005, sexual assaults on teenagers decreased by 52%. The subgroup of assaults by known persons decreased even more dramatically.
Other crimes against children 12 to 17 years old have also declined:
- Aggravated assault down 69%
- Simple assault down 59%
- Robbery down 62%
- Larceny down 54%

http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/Trends/

God was kicked out of schools in 1789. People kept sneaking him back in.

http://teachers.usd497.org/sstidham/religion.htm

When the Supreme Court decided in 1962 to disallow state-sponsored school prayer, some Americans believed that religious expression of any kind was not permitted in public schools. This is incorrect.

According to the Student’s Bill of Rights:

Students have the right to meet with other religious students, to identify their religious beliefs through signs and symbols, to talk about their religious beliefs on campus, to distribute religious literature on campus, to pray on campus, to carry or study their Bible on campus, to do research papers, speeches, and creative projects with religious themes, to be exempt from activities and class content that contradict their religious beliefs, to celebrate or study religious holidays on campus, and to meet with school officials (Shealy 96).

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All people want is the right to not have your religious beliefs shoved down their throats. Its literally painful in the level of hypocricy you seem to have on the subject ronedee.

Quote:http://m.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2013/...tes=mobile

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — A Mississippi high school forced students to attend on-campus programs where fellow students urged them to turn to Jesus for hope and eternal life, according to an atheist group that has sued

A group of students, described by Morrison as senior boys, discuss their history of personal problems. About seven minutes into the program, when talking about how they turned their lives around, one says "We find our hope in Jesus Christ."

One of program leaders also tells students: "We know it is not cool for us to stand up here and tell you that we follow Jesus. But that's OK. Because we care about you so much that there is no way that we could graduate from high school and have a hope that we believe is for eternity and not share it with you guys."

The lawsuit describes the students as representatives of Pinelake Church, the largest Southern Baptist church in Mississippi.

The lawsuit claims otherwise, citing an email Frazier sent to teachers before the senior class assembly on April 9. It also says students were prevented by a school security officer from leaving.

(June 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm)Chuck Wrote: Let's see where this leads, will you?

Science proves there is no god. ie, there was never any god. There was no god even when you thought there was a moral compass from god.

ie. If god is proven to not exist, then such moral compass as did exist mustn't have come from god. No?

So, This means moral compass as did exist must have been man made and duplicitiously misattributed to an bogeyman called god for effect, by men. Understood?

If primitive goat fucking desertmen who beat their wives and rape their children can make one moral compass impressive to you, admittedly one so shabby that it didn't prevent its wife beating makers from lying through their teeth to give their creation a falsely impressive vintage, Modern men of a better sort then your biblical frauds can certainly make another. No? Being forcefully deprived of the god myth, men would actually be forced to make a better, more truthful moral compass, don't you think?

LOL! Understood...No! What kinda dumbshit is that? Do you read your own posts? You're a "modern man" alright!

The only remote semblance of "morals" you've ever taken in was "duplicitiously misattributed" to a burrito you half digested at a Taco Bell in 1999.

...and the next day you flushed it away! I'd rather listen to a "goat".

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(June 11, 2013 at 3:45 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Yeah uh ronedee if you want a serious answer.. try not being such a cunt about the asking. I pegged you as a flamer long ago. Youre mad at the wrong people, b. And fyi you sure do have quite a bit of hostility to work on, for claiming to be a Christian. Try looking in a mirror and come back when you've acquired some fucking humility.

Well...look here, a fowl mouth moral atheist telling us how to be Christians!

And...I'm looking for intelligent responses! But I mostly find you!

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(June 11, 2013 at 4:18 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Ronedee,

John V has pointed out to me that it's too much work to click on a link and then use the quote function to respond to the previously posted arguments, so I'll go one step further for the Christian's convenience:

*copy/paste*

Hope this helps you in your efforts to respond to my previous arguments on this subject.

Thanks....I didn't need any help! But here is a useful link:

Re-Hash

(June 11, 2013 at 5:09 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Why is it the school's job to indoctrinate children into a religion and not up to the parents?

(June 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Religion in schools is clear indoctrination.

How is "education" different from "indoctrination"? Do you call anything religious indoctrination? If so, then what is religion but a set of worldviews? How is educating children on a set of worldviews a bad thing? When you teach no worldviews at all, are you not implying that the best worldview is an "I decide what's best for me" worldview? How is an "I decide" worldview healthy? Why not teach worldviews that focus on issues unrelated to self-gratification? After all, studies show that people who adopt such worldviews live longer, happier lives.