(June 26, 2013 at 11:12 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: I see, he was saying that the end goal of Atheism is for the word "atheism" to disappear. An odd goal.

If everyone is an atheist, there won't be a need for the words 'atheist' or 'theist', it will just be the default for humans.

Forgetting the fact that it is already the default.

But that's another thread (many hundreds of them, probably).

(June 26, 2013 at 11:04 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: You are assuming that all religious people are brainwashed, or that religion itself is a brainwashing process.

Not all, but at least most are.
Present me with a person who is born and raised with no concept of god whatsoever and, when presented with that concept proceeds to accept it as trustworthy, thus following the religion of the god that was presented to him/her.

(June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: However, what are you teaching your children about religion, God, how the universe came to be? I would suspect you are "brainwashing" them with Atheism, evolution, and the Big Bang theory.

Are you truly comparing teaching scientific discoveries about reality with teaching folklore?

(June 26, 2013 at 10:51 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: The body county that Atheistic governments has accrued makes all religious body counts look like a mole hill. "Conform or die" is wrong whether it is a so called Christian or an Atheist holding the gun.

Conform or die?
Now now, boy... you're threading on thin ice... go ahead and say the name that TGAC is expecting...

Present me with someone who is born with a concept of God and, when presented with the concept that no God exists proceeds to accept it as trustworthy, thus following the areligion of the person that was presented to him/her. In other words, if religion is a brainwashing process then Atheism is also.

What scientific discoveries disproved the existence of God? Shouldn't you say, "There have been no scientific discoveries that prove the existence of a God." History and archeology are not folklore. Why are you treating those areas of knowledge as red-headed stepchildren?

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

What the fuck???

(June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am)max-greece Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 11:09 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: The Communist government of China was/is Atheistic, and they killed millions upon millions in the great purges that performed to realize their goals.

Hardly - Mao was a virtual Godhead of the state with every citizen expected to have his little red book with them at all times.

Mao was a man, not a god. Worshiping him as a god does not negate the fact that the Communist government of China was/is Atheistic.

Regarding the evolution question, here is the full definition referred to:

ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/Noun
1.The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the...
2.The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

Meaning two is not talking about biological evolution only, it is merely talking about change, and is the sense one would be using if talking about 'the evolution of the modern automobile', for instance. In biological evolution, it is not that unusual to evolve to a simpler form, as is often the case with parasites.

Quote:Present me with someone who is born with a concept of God and, when presented with the concept that no God exists proceeds to accept it as trustworthy, thus following the areligion of the person that was presented to him/her. In other words, if religion is a brainwashing process then Atheism is also.

Let's get this straight. You mean to say that children are born with the concept of god. And if one encounters one of these children one should then bring them to your church and let them learn of your god. Why don't you ask the child what is god like? Since she already knows. What if she has a concept of a god but it's different from jesus? Do you then bring her to all the religious places and help her identify which religion she's meant to be in? Or allow her to start her own? I don't understand. Because clearly you're saying telling a child she doesn't have an imaginary friend is brainwashing, but telling her her imaginary friend is the same as yours, and that he speaks to you, is not.

(June 26, 2013 at 11:18 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am)max-greece Wrote: Hardly - Mao was a virtual Godhead of the state with every citizen expected to have his little red book with them at all times.

Mao was a man, not a god. Worshiping him as a god does not negate the fact that the Communist government of China was/is Atheistic.

True. But we have as much in common with Soviet communists because we're atheists as you do with members of the Taliban because you're a theist.

(June 26, 2013 at 11:20 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Regarding the evolution question, here is the full definition referred to:

ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/Noun
1.The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the...
2.The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

Meaning two is not talking about biological evolution only, it is merely talking about change, and is the sense one would be using if talking about 'the evolution of the modern automobile', for instance. In biological evolution, it is not that unusual to evolve to a simpler form, as is often the case with parasites.

The second definition talks about the development of something from a simple to complex form. According to evolutionists, we evolved from much simpler forms and continue to development into more and more complex forms. Why wouldn't we eventually evolve into transcended godlike beings then?

(June 26, 2013 at 11:17 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 10:28 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Evolution has an end goal, which I understand to be that humans, or whatever orgasm beats us there, become transcended "godlike" beings that shed these mortal bodies and live as immortals.

What the fuck???

Exactly what I was thinking..

(June 26, 2013 at 11:18 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote:

(June 26, 2013 at 11:10 am)max-greece Wrote: Hardly - Mao was a virtual Godhead of the state with every citizen expected to have his little red book with them at all times.

Mao was a man, not a god. Worshiping him as a god does not negate the fact that the Communist government of China was/is Atheistic.

Jesus was a man (if he even was that), not a god. Worshipping him as a god does not negate the fact that Christians are Atheistic. Yes you read that right, Atheist with a capital A.

Quote:Mister Agenda Wrote:
Regarding the evolution question, here is the full definition referred to:

ev·o·lu·tion
/ˌevəˈlo͞oSHən/Noun
1.The process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the...
2.The gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

Meaning two is not talking about biological evolution only, it is merely talking about change, and is the sense one would be using if talking about 'the evolution of the modern automobile', for instance. In biological evolution, it is not that unusual to evolve to a simpler form, as is often the case with parasites.

The second definition talks about the development of something from a simple to complex form. According to evolutionists, we evolved from much simpler forms and continue to development into more and more complex forms. Why wouldn't we eventually evolve into transcended godlike beings then?

I've responded to this, which you've promptly ignored.