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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I agree that there's no way to know if he was actually "tired",
The Bible says he was. He was "refreshed" after resting, according to Exodus 31:17.
One can't be "refreshed" unless one was tired to begin with.
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm
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(July 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (July 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I agree that there's no way to know if he was actually "tired",
The Bible says he was. He was "refreshed" after resting, according to Exodus 31:17.
One can't be "refreshed" unless one was tired to begin with.
indeed. Glad that's settled. Why do I feel like there's still a question being begged here?
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 2:29 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: indeed. Glad that's settled. Why do I feel like there's still a question being begged here?
I say it's better to beg the question on earth than beg for mercy at the Pearly Gates. Our loving Lord isn't known for giving any mulligans.
In any event, my point is the Wholly Babble makes it clear that although our loving Lord has "the strength of a unicorn".
The Wholly Babble Wrote:Num 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn:
Personally, I'd have gone for 5 unicorns, 3 centaurs and a chimera, but hey, the good Lord's stenographers didn't ask me. Regardless, the Babble makes it clear that the Lord, strong though he may be, isn't omnipotent.
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 2:42 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (July 17, 2013 at 1:24 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: I agree that there's no way to know if he was actually "tired",
The Bible says he was. He was "refreshed" after resting, according to Exodus 31:17.
One can't be "refreshed" unless one was tired to begin with.
Whew, thank you for clarifying. DP will be happy to hear it.
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 3:04 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 2:29 pm)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (July 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: indeed. Glad that's settled. Why do I feel like there's still a question being begged here?
I say it's better to beg the question on earth than beg for mercy at the Pearly Gates. Our loving Lord isn't known for giving any mulligans.
In any event, my point is the Wholly Babble makes it clear that although our loving Lord has "the strength of a unicorn". Lol...You're nuts! I like it.
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm)Drich Wrote: (July 17, 2013 at 8:25 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Light is affected by the effects of a black hole. Therefore, light can not travel at the same speed when affected by a black hole meaning the equasion used to caculate one light year (The standard unit of measure when caculating distances between galaxies) will be wrong.
It seems to me that the only possible effect would be to slow the speed at which the light is travelling, so that ages are longer and not shorter. In other words, if Andromeda appears to be 2 million light years away but gravity is affecting the accuracy of the measurement, then the light from Andromeda may have been traveling for 2.5 million years?
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 5:11 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 8:25 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Bold emphasis mine:
(July 17, 2013 at 2:59 am)Godschild Wrote: Do you believe light is exempt from the effects of gravity, not if you believe the reasoning about black holes. Or is it you believe light can only be effected by gravity by being slowed down by it.
Stimbo beat me to the punch.
The only thing I can add to his post is that you mean "affected by gravity".
You used "effect of gravity" correctly. An effect is the outcome or influence. Affect refers to what is influenced. Light is affected by the effects of a black hole.
The speed of light has never been determined in a true vacuum, we can't be sure how much light slows down due to gravity, nor can we be sure how fast light travels when gravity has little affect on it. When the speed of light was determined it was under the effect of gravity. Thus I'm saying light as a measurement of distance due to it's speed can not be considered the most reliable devise, and seeing that light is affected by gravity the color shift may not be so reliable either.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 5:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: (July 17, 2013 at 8:25 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: Bold emphasis mine:
Stimbo beat me to the punch.
The only thing I can add to his post is that you mean "affected by gravity".
You used "effect of gravity" correctly. An effect is the outcome or influence. Affect refers to what is influenced. Light is affected by the effects of a black hole.
The speed of light has never been determined in a true vacuum, we can't be sure how much light slows down due to gravity, nor can we be sure how fast light travels when gravity has little affect on it. When the speed of light was determined it was under the effect of gravity. Thus I'm saying light as a measurement of distance due to it's speed can not be considered the most reliable devise, and seeing that light is affected by gravity the color shift may not be so reliable either.
If you don't think it's a reliable method, then what is? Asking God?
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 6:03 pm
(July 17, 2013 at 2:29 pm)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: (July 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: indeed. Glad that's settled. Why do I feel like there's still a question being begged here?
I say it's better to beg the question on earth than beg for mercy at the Pearly Gates. Our loving Lord isn't known for giving any mulligans.
In any event, my point is the Wholly Babble makes it clear that although our loving Lord has "the strength of a unicorn".
The Wholly Babble Wrote:Num 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn:
Personally, I'd have gone for 5 unicorns, 3 centaurs and a chimera, but hey, the good Lord's stenographers didn't ask me. Regardless, the Babble makes it clear that the Lord, strong though he may be, isn't omnipotent.
Stupid nonsense...
Your parodies lack originality lately, care to try to prove that I'm not a Christian again?
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RE: One question for Christians
July 17, 2013 at 6:13 pm
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2013 at 6:17 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
(July 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: If you don't think it's a reliable method, then what is? Asking God?
Duh! Jesus Christ! But you have to listen!
Hey, GC...I don't think your religion is spelled correctly on your profile. At least, that's certainly not the traditional spelling I'm used to seeing. I'm definitely not counting out the possibility of it being a new religion I have not yet heard of. There are lots of those too, I'm sure.
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