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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm
"theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!
Last I looked this is the Christianity section of the Atheist form.
I went to school many years ago... And unfortunately, I didn't make the rocket scientist grade like many of you here. I have my bandwidth of knowledge pertaining to my career and interests. And much, much more to think about in day to day life than arguing the finer points of gas & vapor in the solar system.
In your lust to nail me down intellectually, you've missed the whole point I've ultimately tried to (possibly couldn't) make: We are both trying to prove something, (with emotion i might add) that we personally can't do!
We have observations, writings and experiments by "others". The personal experiences we have are limited. We are a nation of observers.
But, as usual, this isn't about an exchange of ideas. It's a competition of discredit, insults and one-upmanship. And, I usually fall [in it] and go right down that path with you!
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 3:17 pm
That's funny, I thought this was about you pulling assertions out of your ass and getting called on it.
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Why the fuck do we need to have the personal experience of, say, finding some fucking zircon and dating that shit for us to acknowledge its accuracy?
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 3:25 pm
(August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm)ronedee Wrote: "theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!
Last I looked this is the Christianity section of the Atheist form.
I went to school many years ago... And unfortunately, I didn't make the rocket scientist grade like many of you here. I have my bandwidth of knowledge pertaining to my career and interests. And much, much more to think about in day to day life than arguing the finer points of gas & vapor in the solar system.
If you have better things to think about, then why did you feel you were qualified to make declarative, sweeping statements about this topic in the first place? 
Quote:In your lust to nail me down intellectually, you've missed the whole point I've ultimately tried to (possibly couldn't) make: We are both trying to prove something, (with emotion i might add) that we personally can't do!
Yeah, yeah, it's all about getting you. We all just hate you. It's got nothing to do with the fact that you're demonstrably wrong and unwilling to learn.
Quote:We have observations, writings and experiments by "others". The personal experiences we have are limited. We are a nation of observers.
I'm so tired of this bizarre, solipsistic last resort you desperate mooks come to. Peer reviewed science has merit. Peer reviewed science is trustworthy. It's demonstrable. It's replicable. But rather than just admit you were wrong, you'll flee to this "you didn't see it, therefore it never happened." position. And again, it's a shifting of the goalposts, because you never mentioned this position before you got called on your ignorance.
Well, guess what? I've never seen god, you've never seen god... I guess he doesn't exist, right? Hell, I guess I don't either.
You can either accept the findings of other, qualified people with regards to things, or you can not, and be a solipsist. But don't bullshit us with this when it comes to things you disagree with, while taking the word of the institute of creation research a page or so back, hypocrite.
Quote:But, as usual, this isn't about an exchange of ideas. It's a competition of discredit, insults and one-upmanship. And, I usually fall [in it] and go right down that path with you!
If you don't want to be discredited, stop being wrong. It's that simple.
Try being right one of these days!
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm
(August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm)ronedee Wrote: "theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!
Last I looked this is the Christianity section of the Atheist form.
You get kudos for this part of your post. If I'd been drinking something, it would be all over my keyboard and monitor right now.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 3:32 pm
(August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm)ronedee Wrote: "theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!
Last I looked this is the Christianity section of the Atheist form.
I went to school many years ago... And unfortunately, I didn't make the rocket scientist grade like many of you here. I have my bandwidth of knowledge pertaining to my career and interests. And much, much more to think about in day to day life than arguing the finer points of gas & vapor in the solar system.
In your lust to nail me down intellectually, you've missed the whole point I've ultimately tried to (possibly couldn't) make: We are both trying to prove something, (with emotion i might add) that we personally can't do!
We have observations, writings and experiments by "others". The personal experiences we have are limited. We are a nation of observers.
But, as usual, this isn't about an exchange of ideas. It's a competition of discredit, insults and one-upmanship. And, I usually fall [in it] and go right down that path with you!
Who are we discrediting you to? its not like this is on TV. Anyway perhaps we can move on.
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Ronedee, if you are suggesting solopsism, then what is the point in this conversation? What is the point in any conversation? What is the point of having arguments and debates if we can't prove anything exists in the first place? What are you doing here?
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 6:06 pm
(August 19, 2013 at 6:03 pm)Rationalman Wrote: What are you doing here?
Flinging poo?
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 6:53 pm
(August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm)ronedee Wrote: In your lust to nail me down intellectually, you've missed the whole point I've ultimately tried to (possibly couldn't) make: We are both trying to prove something, (with emotion i might add) that we personally can't do!
We have observations, writings and experiments by "others". The personal experiences we have are limited. We are a nation of observers.
If you aim to be consistent in what you just said, and I'll give you the benefit of that doubt even though nothing else I've seen you write gives me any cause so to do:
Good luck next time you have to vist a dentist or a doctor. You haven't personally witnessed all the trials and whatnot for those drugs and other medical treatments they use routinely.
Good luck next time you have to get your car or your computer fixed. You haven't personally witnessed all the science behind the development of the technology those engineers will be using.
Good luck going out to eat at a restaurant of your choice. You're just taking it on blind faith that the meals they are selling you are actually made of food that isn't going to kill you, or that the relevant food safety inspectors have done their job, since you haven't personally witnessed either. If your chosen restaurant is McDonald's, of course, all bets are off.
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RE: Question for our resident creationist(s)
August 19, 2013 at 7:39 pm
(August 19, 2013 at 3:14 pm)ronedee Wrote: "theory" "law" "fact"..... whatever!
Exaclty. Fancy science and its mumbo-jumbo don't mean nuttin' when you got tha faith that goddidit.
Try learning about terms before you bandy them about as a defense that your delusions should be taken seriously. You're trying to say that faith and scientific theories are on equal footing, but you are completely ignorant of what science and its theories entail.
What is that saying about it being better to stay silent and thought a fool?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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