Drich Wrote:I did. I told you to watch out for the world leader that will intergrate or spear head the intergration the R/C Church and the popes 'new doctrines' with all other forms of luke warm spiritualism/religion. He will form the one world religion spoken of in Revelation....

Esquilax, I wouldn't give him a clap on the back so fast, it already happened.

Reuters Wrote:Pope urges leaders to unite for peace
March 20 2013 at 10:30pm

Vatican City - Pope Francis urged members of all religions and those belonging to no church on Wednesday to unite to defend justice, peace and the environment and not allow the value of a person to be reduced to “what he produces and what he consumes”.

Francis, elected a week ago as the first non-European pope in 1 300 years, met leaders of non-Catholic Christian religions such as Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and Methodists, and others including Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus.

“The Catholic Church is aware of the importance of furthering respect of friendship between men and women of different religious traditions,” the Argentine pontiff told the religious leaders in an audience at the Vatican.

Speaking in Italian in the frescoed Sala Clementina, he said members of all religions and even non-believers had to recognise their joint responsibility “to our world, to all of creation, which we have to love and protect.

“We must do much for the good of the poorest, the weak, and those who are suffering, to favour justice, promote reconciliation and build peace,” he said.

Now I get why you'll defend the indefensible with such fervor, Drich--you think the world is going to be ending soon. Or that it already is. If you're looking for the false prophet, then who do you think is the first beast aka: the antichrist?

I bet I could take a guess.

Peacemaking also was on the mind of Rabbi Nancy Fuchs-Kreimer, professor of religious studies at Reconstructionist Rabbinical College in Pennsylvania.
"I would beg the pope to take the arm of the next president of the United States and together, along with the chief rabbi and a chief imam that they could find, to get their bodies over to Jerusalem as fast as they possibly can and get some kind of peace that includes a two-state solution. Because without a two-state solution, our people don't have much of a rosy future," Rabbi Fuchs-Kreimer told CNS in a telephone interview.

And here inlies the dilemma. Peace can't be attained without co-operation. But Christians like Drich here think the world is ending if peace within religions is sought. The new Pope standing up for peace is looked upon as the evilest evil that ever evilled. Even atheists standing up too for peace are fulfilling the prophecies that all the world will be united into the New World Order.

Interestingly enough, strip everyone's religious views from them and they're just a bunch of fellow human beings killing one another. Which is reality, sadly.

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(September 23, 2013 at 10:33 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 9:38 am)Airyaman Wrote: If they talk to their god, could they ask him/her/them to make a live appearance? Yeah, we don't seem to see them like they used to. Not even a burning bush or a talking animal.

Nice tomato!

Is that what it is? I've been trying to discern whether or not it's a deformed vegetable, an alien, or an aborted fetus

(September 23, 2013 at 10:42 am)Drich Wrote: Again a youtube trick would be a waist of time for anyone who does not already believe.

I said that you guys need to experience God for yourself, to witness it, and to question it and the circumstances. Which is provided/offered to you if you A/S/K

I have already shown that your ask, seek and knock is bullshit in another thread. Ignoring my post does not change the fact a/s/k does not work. I have shown that you see things that are not there. Why continue with the bullshit drich.

(September 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm)John V Wrote: Point is that, either way, you've already answered that question - "not" - despite the amount of evidence.

This is a really strange thing to say: we're atheists, of course right now we wouldn't follow Jesus. It would be rather odd of us to not believe in Jesus yet still follow him.

Besides, atheism is a position of non-belief, not one of denial; we don't believe god exists, and if we had evidence, then we would believe that he did, but nothing in any of those concepts entails worship. I can see why a christian might conflate the two, considering that so much of your concept of god is bound up in your belief that he's perfect and worthy of worship, but they're really not connected.

The atheist position here isn't "prove god exists and I'll worship him," for you to prove it's disingenuous. It's "prove god exists and I'll believe he exists." Which is absolutely true, but that doesn't mean I automatically need to start bending and scraping. I believe lots of things exist without doing that; my entirely believed-in coffee machine goes every day without worship. You shouldn't add things onto the atheist position, here.

John V Wrote:And how is that a double-edged sword for me? Or are you arguing against a stereotype?

Stereotype...? I simply illustrated the simple fact that God doesn't move an omnipotent thumb for us, even though in doing so, our free will *won't* be violated. It's a double-edged sword to any theist who remotely believes in a personal god, let alone Jesus the anointed who was conveniently publicly killed for my sake because a woman inconveniently bit an apple. Hell yeah it's a double-edged sword for you.

Quote:Point is that, either way, you've already answered that question - "not" - despite the amount of evidence.

Esquilax has already elegantly highlighted the issues with this statement here, so I won't add to it.

Hey,

After reading the comments back and forward I have to say that 'Drippy' has a very weak argument for the case of God.

I love the fact that they say phrases such as 'Even if we did miracles you wouldent believe' and other statments as 'Its been done before'

So with those two statements in mind lets take a look what their Bible says.

John 4:48 - So Jesus said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe.”

I believe this is a strong enough viewpoint. Jesus acknowledged that there would be people who would not believe unless they seen miracles. So what the fuck did Jesus do he gave them miracles.

Also

Where do you think the phrase Doubting Thomas came along. Here is a guy who had problems believing but Jesus time and time again had to explain and show Thomas.

So we Atheists today are no worse than those Doubting Thomas'es Except unlike him we have Christians saying - 'We wont do miracles because we cant' err I mean 'We wont do miracles because you wont believe us if you did'

I tell you one thing. I ask all Christians to pray for all cancer types to be cured over night! Drich I will follow God 'I promise on my own life' if you can show me that every cancer in existence has some magical cure by tommrow.

I'm skeptical you can do it but If you do you will have won another sheep over!

(September 24, 2013 at 4:56 am)themonkeyman Wrote: I tell you one thing. I ask all Christians to pray for all cancer types to be cured over night! Drich I will follow God 'I promise on my own life' if you can show me that every cancer in existence has some magical cure by tommrow.

Drich is more in the market for praying that you get cancer:

Drich Wrote:I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.

I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.

(September 24, 2013 at 5:06 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(September 24, 2013 at 4:56 am)themonkeyman Wrote: I tell you one thing. I ask all Christians to pray for all cancer types to be cured over night! Drich I will follow God 'I promise on my own life' if you can show me that every cancer in existence has some magical cure by tommrow.

Drich is more in the market for praying that you get cancer:

Drich Wrote:I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.

I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.

Which just goes to show how much of a terrible human being he really is.

My father has terminal cancer, he's an atheist. Never once seen or heard him talk about any sort of god, whatever that is.

(September 23, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(September 23, 2013 at 6:01 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Furthermore, if DRICH or JohnV, or Godschild really would drink a poison that I would bring to them, without ill affects, then I for one would drop to my knees and beg god for forgiveness of my ignorance. I would take time off from work and fly to whatever corner of the world they live in to watch them drink the corrosive liquid.

Guys, do I need to go to the lab and collect a mixture of horrible poisons? Shall we invite the others to come witness? ..

I can't speak for any one else but maybe I don't want to see you in heaven that badly.

So demonstrating the "GLORY" of god that works within you in a fashion that jesus himself stated you could do is something you won't do because you don't love me enough?

Drich Wrote:That said, I can speak for God in this one instance, in that He appearently does not want to see you in Heaven that badly either.

So the bible babble about him loving me is bullshit too?

Drich Wrote:Fore you like everyone else has been commanded to Humble yourself before Him, and then allow Him to lift you up. He will not humble Himself before you and perform parlor tricks to 'earn' your belief.

So Not only his respect, love, and forgiveness must be "EARNED", but his evidence for even existing must be earned too? God knows that his stories don't jive and make rational sense, but he won't accept me and give me really good evidence because I haven't EARNED it. Okie Dokie then.. Dick god you have there!

Drich Wrote:I am quite sure He will see you to Hell before God Humbles Himself before you to provide you with anything ..

Not that God couldn't ..

So because I live in 2013 and not in 32 AD I am punished as a rational skeptic in that I am not allowed to witness firsthand the evidence of a real god, despite god knowing that the nature of those that live around me is to lie and make up fanciful gods. Again, what a dick god you have..

Well, to be fair Brakeman, god really only showed up for a few handful of people at a time in remote locations even in the bible, so its not like he's into big crowds and getting around.

(September 24, 2013 at 7:13 am)Airyaman Wrote: Well, to be fair Brakeman, god really only showed up for a few handful of people at a time in remote locations even in the bible, so its not like he's into big crowds and getting around.

Actually much more than that..

Quote:The Torah's claim is that the entire people heard God speak at Mount Sinai, experiencing national revelation. God did not just appear to Moses in a private rendezvous; He appeared to everyone, some 3 million people. This claim is mentioned many times in the Torah.

http://www.aish.com/jl/p/ph/Did_God_Speak_at_Sinai.html