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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:27 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If there are multiple "believe or damned" choices, look fro the one that is true.
But that does not help the atheist or the agnostic and his risk of infinite loss.
Why don't you first start by demonstrating your tall tale is true?
Cart before the horse I'm afraid.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But that does not help the atheist or the agnostic and his risk of infinite loss.
Okay, I pointed this out to you several pages ago, complete with an infographic, so I can only assume you just ignored it because you can't refute it, like a good coward would, but you also are risking infinite loss.
Didn't believe in the muslim god and they turned out to be correct? Whoops, hell!
Are you a protestant and the catholic god is correct? Whoops, hell!
What if you die and find that god really hates Pascal's Wager? Whoops, hell!
You are risking just as much as we are. How hard is this to understand?
And "oi vey" what if the Jews were right all along?
And it it was the Greeks....better take a coin for the ferryman.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But that does not help the atheist or the agnostic and his risk of infinite loss.
Okay, I pointed this out to you several pages ago, complete with an infographic, so I can only assume you just ignored it because you can't refute it, like a good coward would, but you also are risking infinite loss.
Didn't believe in the muslim god and they turned out to be correct? Whoops, hell!
Are you a protestant and the catholic god is correct? Whoops, hell!
What if you die and find that god really hates Pascal's Wager? Whoops, hell!
You are risking just as much as we are. How hard is this to understand?
That's because Pascal's Wager presupposes that Christianity is the one true religion and it never occurs to Christians proposing PW that any other religion could be the one true religion (because obviously all those others are just heathen religions invented by Satan).
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm by SavedByGraceThruFaith.)
(October 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm)max-greece Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Okay, I pointed this out to you several pages ago, complete with an infographic, so I can only assume you just ignored it because you can't refute it, like a good coward would, but you also are risking infinite loss.
Didn't believe in the muslim god and they turned out to be correct? Whoops, hell!
Are you a protestant and the catholic god is correct? Whoops, hell!
What if you die and find that god really hates Pascal's Wager? Whoops, hell!
You are risking just as much as we are. How hard is this to understand?
And "oi vey" what if the Jews were right all along?
And it it was the Greeks....better take a coin for the ferryman.
I did answer this at least twice already.
If there are multiple believe or damned choices, then the atheist and agnostic is damned if any are true.
So there is no difference in Pascal's wager for atheists and agnostics.
For the believer of God, a choice must be made. There is only one clear choice. So the believer again has no difference in Pascal's wager.
(October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Okay, I pointed this out to you several pages ago, complete with an infographic, so I can only assume you just ignored it because you can't refute it, like a good coward would, but you also are risking infinite loss.
Didn't believe in the muslim god and they turned out to be correct? Whoops, hell!
Are you a protestant and the catholic god is correct? Whoops, hell!
What if you die and find that god really hates Pascal's Wager? Whoops, hell!
You are risking just as much as we are. How hard is this to understand?
That's because Pascal's Wager presupposes that Christianity is the one true religion and it never occurs to Christians proposing PW that any other religion could be the one true religion (because obviously all those others are just heathen religions invented by Satan).
Pascal's wager says to consider that there is God.
There are many different versions of God and salvation to consider.
Only the Holy Bible will prove to be true.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: [quote='SavedByGraceThruFaith' pid='515043' dateline='1380629886']
Here is what Jesus Christ instructed.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Like most xtian shit, stolen from the Greeks.
Quote: "Do not do to your neighbor what you would take ill from him."
Pitticus of Mytilene d. 568 BC
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (October 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: [quote='SavedByGraceThruFaith' pid='515043' dateline='1380629886']
Here is what Jesus Christ instructed.
Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Like most xtian shit, stolen from the Greeks.
Quote: "Do not do to your neighbor what you would take ill from him."
Pitticus of Mytilene d. 568 BC
The golden rule is there in multiple religions and philosophies.
I am not sure about "love your enemies"
That is beyond the golden rule.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: That's because Pascal's Wager presupposes that Christianity is the one true religion and it never occurs to Christians proposing PW that any other religion could be the one true religion (because obviously all those others are just heathen religions invented by Satan).
I think it does occur to them; they just hope it doesn't occur to you.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm
I would be a televangelist....but I have too much of a soul.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
October 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm
(October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: For the believer of God, a choice must be made. There is only one clear choice. So the believer again has no difference in Pascal's wager.
You're still dodging the question. Why don't you follow all religions and worship all gods just to make sure you get the right one? You're assuming that you've chosen the only right one.
Quote:Pascal's wager says to consider that there is God.
I spent the first 30 years of my life not only considering it, but believing it wholeheartedly.
Quote:There are many different versions of God and salvation to consider.
Only the Holy Bible will prove to be true.
Baseless assertion. Please prove your statement.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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