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Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote:
(October 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Only the Holy Bible will prove to be true.
A muslim will say the same about his qu'ran.
And many muslims have written so right here on this forum.
Now... being impartial as I am, I have to ask, who is trying to deceive me? Could both be trying to deceive me?

I will just state the facts. I do not try to deceive anyone.
I just try to tell the truth of the gospel. Some may believe and get saved.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I will just state the facts. I do not try to deceive anyone.
I just try to tell the truth of the gospel. Some may believe and get saved.

"Truth" and "Gospel" don't belong in the same sentence. I want one truth, not four conflicting ones.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
- Buddha
"Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it."
- Dennis McKinsey
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:
(October 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: A muslim will say the same about his qu'ran.
And many muslims have written so right here on this forum.
Now... being impartial as I am, I have to ask, who is trying to deceive me? Could both be trying to deceive me?

I will just state the facts. I do not try to deceive anyone.
I just try to tell the truth of the gospel. Some may believe and get saved.

You're just a schmuck.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I will just state the facts. I do not try to deceive anyone.
I just try to tell the truth of the gospel. Some may believe and get saved.


You are not stating facts, though. You are stating your faith based beliefs.

Even your name 'SavedByGraceThruFaith' states that you believe based on faith.

Sorry, but faith is not a path to truth. Faith is gullibility.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
OK, fuck it, definitive proof that man invented God and not the other way around.

Assumption:

Lets start by assuming that God invented man. Fine. If this is the case then God might have characteristics that man does not but man cannot have characteristics that God does not have as God wouldn't be able to perceive them. Are you with me so far?

Now evil isn't a problem - God has that one nailed down, goodness - OK, maybe. I'd even grant you love (distorted as it is).

There is, however, one specific thing that God does not have and we have in spades. We'll call that Stimbo.

Stimbo is as funny as fuck. He's had probably 50 recs from me just for making me spit coffee/coke and beer at my screen.

God, on the other hand, is not funny. There isn't a single gag in the whole of the Bible. God has no sense of humour.

Had God been in possession of a sense of humour he would not have turned Lot's wife into salt. He would have stood behind her in full regalia and when she turned round to peek he would have said "Boo"

Lots wife would have pissed herself. God could then say "I told you not to look round. Now you have pissed yourself and you have a long walk ahead of you and its really going to chaff."

That would have been both funny and appropriate punishment for the crime. Its what Stimbo would have done.

God couldn't do it because God just ain't funny.

Therefore God cannot have invented us as we are all fucking hilarious (but mainly Stimbo).

I thank you.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(October 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I will just state the facts. I do not try to deceive anyone.
I just try to tell the truth of the gospel. Some may believe and get saved.


You are not stating facts, though. You are stating your faith based beliefs.

Even your name 'SavedByGraceThruFaith' states that you believe based on faith.

Sorry, but faith is not a path to truth. Faith is gullibility.

Is that what you believe?
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
Fame at last!
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:
(October 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: You are not stating facts, though. You are stating your faith based beliefs.

Even your name 'SavedByGraceThruFaith' states that you believe based on faith.

Sorry, but faith is not a path to truth. Faith is gullibility.

Is that what you believe?

From the view of someone that has no religious or god beliefs, I see no difference between the validity of your faith based beliefs and those of Hindus, Muslims, Zoroastrians, etc, etc.

I work with plenty of Muslims, Christians and Hindus. Every one of them has an equal level of faith in their beliefs as the other.

And NONE of them can support their beliefs with anything other than faith. No demonstrable evidence, no reasoned argument, no valid or sound logic.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
(October 1, 2013 at 4:10 pm)max-greece Wrote: OK, fuck it, definitive proof that man invented God and not the other way around.

Assumption:

Lets start by assuming that God invented man. Fine. If this is the case then God might have characteristics that man does not but man cannot have characteristics that God does not have as God wouldn't be able to perceive them. Are you with me so far?

Now evil isn't a problem - God has that one nailed down, goodness - OK, maybe. I'd even grant you love (distorted as it is).

There is, however, one specific thing that God does not have and we have in spades. We'll call that Stimbo.

Stimbo is as funny as fuck. He's had probably 50 recs from me just for making me spit coffee/coke and beer at my screen.

God, on the other hand, is not funny. There isn't a single gag in the whole of the Bible. God has no sense of humour.

Had God been in possession of a sense of humour he would not have turned Lot's wife into salt. He would have stood behind her in full regalia and when she turned round to peek he would have said "Boo"

Lots wife would have pissed herself. God could then say "I told you not to look round. Now you have pissed yourself and you have a long walk ahead of you and its really going to chaff."

That would have been both funny and appropriate punishment for the crime. Its what Stimbo would have done.

God couldn't do it because God just ain't funny.

Therefore God cannot have invented us as we are all fucking hilarious (but mainly Stimbo).

I thank you.

Alright, I'm convinced. All hail Stimbo! I will break out a sacramental beer on his behalf in a few minutes.
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RE: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain
And while this "perfect" god doesn't have a sense of humor, this "perfect" god seems to suffer from the useless human emotion of jealousy. Why is that, do you think? Why would a perfect God ever be jealous, unless he was totally made up by man?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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