(October 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Fnarr, fnarr...

Is that the onomatopoeic sound for this?

(October 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 4:55 pm)max-greece Wrote: Mine hit me with "Well you just don't believe anything do you?"

She was reading her horoscope at the time.

I do not believe in horoscopes.

I know of no saved Christian that does.

Surely that's an artifact of you not believing that Christians who believe in astrology are saved?

(October 1, 2013 at 5:36 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Fnarr, fnarr...

Is that the onomatopoeic sound for this?

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Actually, it's a reference to the highest level of humour...

Finbarr Saunders (and his double entendres)

(October 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 4:01 pm)pocaracas Wrote: A muslim will say the same about his qu'ran.
And many muslims have written so right here on this forum.
Now... being impartial as I am, I have to ask, who is trying to deceive me? Could both be trying to deceive me?

I will just state the facts. I do not try to deceive anyone.
I just try to tell the truth of the gospel. Some may believe and get saved.

Then you may be truly convinced of what you claim... That means someone may have deceived you. Or someone deceived whoever told you what you are trying to tell us... or... or ... or somewhere along the ladder of past people convincing other people, one of them deceived the other... and the other propagated the deception, unaware that it's a deception...
Those are the worst kind of deceivers.... the unaware ones.

Blah blah blah. Some arguments are as terrible as they are old. I think everything that can be said about pascal's wager has been said and the fact you still feel the need to present it makes you a twat.

Pascal's wager is really the wrong tool for discovery anyway isn't it? The scientific method is the best guideline we have for finding out the truth about an hypothesis.
Using the scientific method I would examine evidence and invoke controls and blind studies to ensure that my desires and biases do not cloud the answer. Unfortunately, there is no unimpeachable evidence to consider or test with god.

So then we must simply counter the anecdotal evidence evidence of ancient unknown bible writers with our own current observations. Bible writers say god is huge, active, and omnipresent. Billions of modern humans, including most of us here, say god is not observable at all, therefore not "huge, active, or omnipresent."

So for the human decision making methods that we employ every day to decide to "eat this, do that, or go there," we decide to reject the hypothesis that there is a god who is so interested in the skin on the end of my penis.

(October 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm)xpastor Wrote: ...I can't remember either if he offed himself, but he sure was pissed.

Welcome to the party xpastor. LTNS.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I do not believe in horoscopes.

I know of no saved Christian that does.

Surely that's an artifact of you not believing that Christians who believe in astrology are saved?

There may be some.
I just do not know of any personally.

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(October 1, 2013 at 5:25 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If there are multiple "believe or damned" choices, look fro the one that is true.

Since i wasn't asking for a rule of thumb, I have to interpret that as an admission that it doesn't matter how high the stakes are if you don't think something is true, you won't believe it.

The agnostic or atheist has nothing to fear unless the claim is true. Without a good reason to think the claim is true, it doesn't matter how high the stakes are. Same reason I don't send money to Nigerian princes.

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(October 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: There is just me and way too many questions to be answered.

Most are just a brush off or more of the same question.

I wish I could do more, but time does not permit it.

No worries. We know you're outnumbered here. It helps to focus on the questions you consider most challenging.

Thanks for the advice.

(October 1, 2013 at 7:04 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Atheists and Agnostics risk infinite loss for no gain...

WOW. Great Op.
15 pages and climbing.
Who would have guessed Pascal's wager could still attract so much attention from its intended target?

My objection is simple, how do you know the bible is correct empirically? What if Buddha was right, or the Hindu gods, or Islam, or Wiccan, or various other religions.