@OP I couldn't imagine a bigger waste of time.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

@OP I couldn't imagine a bigger waste of time.

You can't but somehow they always manage.

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(October 2, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Oh and your hero Hovind is a lying tax cheat prison bitch who gives it up to the whole cell block every night.

Stop, you are giving prison bitches a bad name.

(October 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm)JeffB Wrote: I am a Young Earth Creationist on a quest: I am sincerely interested in reading EVERY argument against YEC.

Brief background: After studying creationism, I was encouraged to see how strong this model has become over the recent decade.
It caused me to want to search out and read arguments AGAINST creation. And the more I read them, the more convinced I became: the creation model is actually very logically solid.

But just to make sure I’ve done a thorough search, I decided to come here and ask members of an atheist forum. I’ve certainly done plenty of searching myself, googling, bing-ing, etc. I’m pretty sure I’ve read all of them, but perhaps you know of some more.
Here’s links to the ‘best’ ones I’ve found (I not included the lesser quality ones):
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Branches_of...reationism
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_ag...t_creation
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4065
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Problems_wi..._inerrancy
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?cat=16
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=499
http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...reationist (As a YEC, I particularly enjoyed this one)

So, if you have any other good ones, please post them here and I will read them.

**REQUEST: PLEASE keep this thread on topic: posting challenges to YEC.
I am not interested in starting a debate, nor defending myself. I REALLY do want good information in response, from credible sources when possible (not just random thoughts).

(Fellow creationists: please don’t jump in and ramble, just listen. In fact, if you do that same research I’ve done, you might too come out very encouraged by what you believe)

-Jeff

1. It's rude to declare who can respond and how - particularly in your first post.

2. The atheists here get their knowledge from youtube for the most part. They've heard of talkorigins but haven't read an article there past the first paragraph. You hit a dry well.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:43 pm)John V Wrote: 1. It's rude to declare who can respond and how - particularly in your first post.

2. The atheists here get their knowledge from youtube for the most part. They've heard of talkorigins but haven't read an article there past the first paragraph. You hit a dry well.

And reality, don't forget that, John.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:43 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm)JeffB Wrote: I am a Young Earth Creationist on a quest: I am sincerely interested in reading EVERY argument against YEC.

Brief background: After studying creationism, I was encouraged to see how strong this model has become over the recent decade.
It caused me to want to search out and read arguments AGAINST creation. And the more I read them, the more convinced I became: the creation model is actually very logically solid.

But just to make sure I’ve done a thorough search, I decided to come here and ask members of an atheist forum. I’ve certainly done plenty of searching myself, googling, bing-ing, etc. I’m pretty sure I’ve read all of them, but perhaps you know of some more.
Here’s links to the ‘best’ ones I’ve found (I not included the lesser quality ones):
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Branches_of...reationism
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_ag...t_creation
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4065
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Problems_wi..._inerrancy
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?cat=16
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=499
http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...reationist (As a YEC, I particularly enjoyed this one)

So, if you have any other good ones, please post them here and I will read them.

**REQUEST: PLEASE keep this thread on topic: posting challenges to YEC.
I am not interested in starting a debate, nor defending myself. I REALLY do want good information in response, from credible sources when possible (not just random thoughts).

(Fellow creationists: please don’t jump in and ramble, just listen. In fact, if you do that same research I’ve done, you might too come out very encouraged by what you believe)

-Jeff

1. It's rude to declare who can respond and how - particularly in your first post.

2. The atheists here get their knowledge from youtube for the most part. They've heard of talkorigins but haven't read an article there past the first paragraph. You hit a dry well.

No we do not. Where do you get that crap from? If we quote a scientist on a video, it is not merely because they made a video, it is because of the entire HISTORY of science, that lead them to present their arguments.

All you have is a comic book written by goat herders.

And apparently dishboy doesn't even know what a comic book is.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:43 pm)John V Wrote: 2. The atheists here get their knowledge from youtube for the most part. They've heard of talkorigins but haven't read an article there past the first paragraph. You hit a dry well.

Dude, I was reading talk.origins on USENET back in the early 90's. You know, before the web even existed.

(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 4:43 pm)John V Wrote: 2. The atheists here get their knowledge from youtube for the most part. They've heard of talkorigins but haven't read an article there past the first paragraph. You hit a dry well.

Dude, I was reading talk.origins on USENET back in the early 90's. You know, before the web even existed.

And notably before youtube existed...

(October 2, 2013 at 4:39 pm)John V Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm)pocaracas Wrote: On a quest.... I didn't click any of those links, sorry... too little time.
But... how do you account for the little detail of radiometric dating?
So many isotopes all yielding roughly the same age can't be that wrong... can they?

Except...they don't always yield the same age. Here's a chart showing dates of moon rocks using different techniques:
http://www.ridgenet.net/~do_while/sage/ages.htm

Suspicious... only a few of those have error bars.
Still, the majority agree with the ~4 billion yo ball park.

And I see nothing there remotely hinting at.... what is it?... 6 thousand yo!

Don't you know? When radiometric dating disagrees with Christian claims, the numbers have to match perfectly!



However, if they happen to agree with Christian claims, then it doesn't matter.