(October 8, 2013 at 4:20 pm)Kemotx Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 4:17 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Wait til you meet the real Christian here who volunteered to pray for all of us to get AIDS or cancer. The ultimate kindness, that.

He wasn't a True Christian.

Are you sure you're a Pole? You sound more like a Scotsman.

Better invest in one of these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llv5qdf4pRk

(October 8, 2013 at 3:24 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(October 8, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Kemotx Wrote:

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Well, I just can't believe it. I said in ''Kevin Mirasi'' thread that we should respect all beliefs, and people started to insult me. First of all, I can't believe that a forum such big that it must be supported (and it is popular since it is overfunded) allows people to be rude.

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It's called freedom of speech, and disagreement.

I agree we have freedom of speech, and disagreement is part of human nature. What I do disagree with is the insults people throw around that are not justified, to insult someone with out proof in the argument is nothing more than being a loser or cry baby.

Quote:Seriously, what are you doing? Would you talk like this in IRL conversation?

Tiberius Wrote:Anonymity on the internet tends to do that to some people. However, I've found that the vast majority of people here are respectful of other people's opinions. Respect doesn't mean you have to agree with their opinion, or even be nice about it when debating it. Respecting another person's opinion only means you shouldn't simply discard it without properly discussing it, or tell them to shut up about it.

Sorry I have to disagree with the respect on this forum, in the past it was much better, however as of late with the newest members respect is not a part of their understanding, not all but some. If a Christian even hints they are wrong they go ballistic, shooting of at the mouth without regard to another. I understand what debate is about, yet these do not, they want to discredit the Bible yet when I supply evidence through scripture they whine like little babies and then run off, that is not debating, it's childishness. Calling the Bible a book of fables is as pitiful an excuse as can be given.

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Yeah, I can defend Christians. I support the true ones. You know who is a real Christian? A person who is incapable of hatred, a person who can forgive someone who killed their mother or raped their child - A truly forgiving person. Yes, true Christians are rare, and I still don't support their doctrine of hell.

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Tiberius Wrote:So, Christians are truly forgiving, yet believe that people who commit "sin" deserve hell? That doesn't sound forgiving to me. Luckily your opinion of what Christians are doesn't actually match up with reality. Christians are people who believe Jesus Christ is God. Anything beyond that and we're getting into describing Christian denominations, not Christianity in general.

You think you could teach the others on here the difference between Christianity and denominational beliefs, it sure would make debates much easier here.
Tiberius, I do not think any Christian here wants to see anyone go to hell and that is what it sounds like you're describing, I hope I'm wrong. We do repeat what scripture says about sin and hell, why isn't that acceptable here, atheist who want to debate scripture need to understand that's what scripture says, and if they want to debate hell they should pull back on their sensitivity and emotions, like they believe we should when we're insulted.

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What I mean is, you freak out when someone is talking about Christianity. You call it extremism, you want to ban it. Easy, people! Christians are loud but harmless. And then you wonder why they talk about NWO and end times. If you are that hostile to christianity people WILL think that end times are coming! Easy, slow, with kindness, people!

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Tiberius Wrote:No, I don't want to ban Christianity. It should be obvious that one person's (or many people's) view on the forum is not the view of everyone on the forum, or the forum in general. We suppose freedom of speech and expression here. It's inevitable that you'll run into opinions that you don't agree with. Debate them, don't tell people to be "easy, slow, with kindness" or else you'll leave. You're the one not respecting people's beliefs there!

I agree with what you say, it's those who would rather call Christians stupid, arrogant and ect. instead of debating issues that are beginning to hurt this site and I think it's terrible, this site is the best debate site I've found when a actual debate can be had. I understand things will heat up at times, I've done my share. I also understand that the atheist and Christian world views differ in what's polite and such but there's middle ground for everyone to meet on.

Quote:I wish that the stereotypical image of an Atheist was an intellectual in a lab cloth, with a bow tie and glasses, who can CALMLY, WITH KINDNESS, WITHOUT SNARK AND SARCASM refute creationism, conspiracy theories, homeopathy, whatever you find irrational.

Tiberius Wrote:Believe me, when you've been here as long as I have, it's difficult to keep up that appearance, especially when you have refuted the same crap time and time again. Some things deserve to be treated with snark and sarcasm.

Yet when a Christian brings proof about scripture we are suppose to repeat that proof time and again, that is according to many members here. I've personally been told that I'm being stupid if I do not keep repeating it. Do the Christians have to accept what non believers say and not the other way around. Through the scriptures I've brought proof about scripture, yet others believe I should argue scripture outside of it, really, what's up with that.

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-Kemotx, a rare Kind Atheist.

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Tiberius Wrote:- Tiberius, an atheist who supports freedom of speech, even if assholes use it.

Godschild, a Christian who supports freedom of speech, even from assholes, as long as they can use it with some type of decency.
Tiberus, I believe you to be the fairest atheist I've meet, you have been fair to Christians in many respects, thanks.
GC

How odd. I was driving at age 19 in Poland. Still, your English comprehension is pretty impressive. Something here doesn't smell quite right. (Also, Poles swear like sailors, Christian or otherwise. If Polish is your first language, then I'm surprised English swears even offend you.)

(October 8, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Calling the Bible a book of fables is as pitiful an excuse as can be given.

No, pitiful are the followers, who believe that the bible is equal to truth.

(October 8, 2013 at 5:29 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: How odd. I was driving at age 19 in Poland. Still, your English comprehension is pretty impressive. Something here doesn't smell quite right. (Also, Poles swear like sailors, Christian or otherwise. If Polish is your first language, then I'm surprised English swears even offend you.)

Ummmm, hmmmmmm.

Something is rotten in Denmark. Or Poland in this case.

Damn, I'm late to this party.

Look, Kemotx, I agree that being harsh with people kind of sucks. But with Christians, Atheists have to repeat again and again the points they are trying to make, because we get frustrating answers like "prove it" and "I know my faith is true so I don't have to believe that" or more than anything else "God did it."

It's frustrating, and eats away at our patience and determination. I was determined to not be a vulgar person when I joined this site, but as time went on, I got sick of the Christian unwillingness to take ANYTHING I said into consideration. When I could point out their flaws irrefutably, they just ignored me.

Maybe the Christians don't call us bad names or insult our personalities as much, but they are no less rude than you claim we atheists are, because they won't show any willingness to consider that "hey, maybe that atheist has a point."

I know I am sick of screaming into deaf ears, but when someone won't listen, what do you do? You talk louder.

(October 8, 2013 at 5:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: I agree we have freedom of speech, and disagreement is part of human nature. What I do disagree with is the insults people throw around that are not justified, to insult someone with out proof in the argument is nothing more than being a loser or cry baby.

When I call you a psychopath who gets a thrill out of the idea of your God killing massive amounts of people, it's not an insult when you really act like a psychopath who gets a thrill out of the idea of your God killing massive amounts of people.

Quote:Seriously, what are you doing? Would you talk like this in IRL conversation?

Quote:Sorry I have to disagree with the respect on this forum, in the past it was much better, however as of late with the newest members respect is not a part of their understanding, not all but some. If a Christian even hints they are wrong they go ballistic, shooting of at the mouth without regard to another.

I'd be so much nicer than you if you didn't say stupid shit on a constant basis.

Quote:I understand what debate is about, yet these do not, they want to discredit the Bible yet when I supply evidence through scripture they whine like little babies and then run off, that is not debating, it's childishness. Calling the Bible a book of fables is as pitiful an excuse as can be given.

It's not an excuse, it's a fact. At no point have you supplied evidence through scripture. You toss chapters and verses and make them mean what you want them to mean. That's a standard of evidence fit for a retard.

Quote:Yet when a Christian brings proof about scripture we are suppose to repeat that proof time and again, that is according to many members here. I've personally been told that I'm being stupid if I do not keep repeating it. Do the Christians have to accept what non believers say and not the other way around. Through the scriptures I've brought proof about scripture, yet others believe I should argue scripture outside of it, really, what's up with that.

Uh huh. Except, when a non-believer has an interpretation of scripture you find disagreeable, what do you say about us? "You just don't understand scripture". Why should we accept your personal interpretation of scripture as proof of anything?

Quote:Godschild, a Christian who supports freedom of speech, even from assholes, as long as they can use it with some type of decency.

If I had the power and inclination to ban speech based upon how decent I found it, your disgusting and perverted religion would be illegal to speak of aloud. But, you have the right to follow a disgusting and perverted religion and you have the right to be as vocally disgusting and perverted as you want. God bless America.

I don't know what's worse. Atheist site full of assholes or christian site full of kind people who say that you'll be tortured forever after you die for disbelief.