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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 8:35 am
(October 9, 2013 at 7:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 7:40 am)Chas Wrote: You still don't see that not making the god assumption is not the same as making the no god assumption.
You have the mind of a child.
I proved the 'no God" assumption false with 2 proofs.
Proof 1:
by contradiction
assume no God
that leads to countless contradictions
therefore the no God assumption is false.
There God exists
Proof 2:
By Modus Ponens
1. If the universe and life have vast complexity that only an intelligent creator could cause then the universe and life is created by its Creator, God
2. the universe and life have vast complexity that only an intelligent creator could cause
3. Therefore, the universe and life is created by its Creator, God.
Those are not proofs.
You have proved no contradictions in 'proof' 1.
Your first assumption is unfounded in 'proof' 2.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.
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October 9, 2013 at 9:38 am
Science doesn't make the assumption of "no god".
Science is open to anything that comes...
Thus far, no god has been glimpsed by any scientific experiment... "no god" is a working conclusion based on ALL scientific observation made so far.... and you may appreciate that there have been made quite a few and then some more.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am
(October 9, 2013 at 9:38 am)pocaracas Wrote: Science doesn't make the assumption of "no god".
Science is open to anything that comes...
Thus far, no god has been glimpsed by any scientific experiment... "no god" is a working conclusion based on ALL scientific observation made so far.... and you may appreciate that there have been made quite a few and then some more.
Well then "science" must really be in a mess. It cannot account fro how anything got here without violating its on laws and principles.
But wait maybe God did create everything. Only reasonable answer.
But they do not allow God as the answer.
So "science" is closed not open minded
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 10:10 am
Bullshit. If you can provide evidence for your god, then science would accept it. But saying "God did create everything" is not a reasonable answer, let alone the only one, when you can't even prove this god of yours exists. All you're doing is saying, "Science is wrong, God exists" without offering anything of substance. You're just resorting to the playground tactic of saying, "nuh-huh!"
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 10:14 am
(October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Well then "science" must really be in a mess. It cannot account fro how anything got here without violating its on laws and principles.
But wait maybe God did create everything. Only reasonable answer.
If it's the only reasonable answer, why are you unwilling to defend it in a proper debate? Scared? Unable to properly defend it? Aware that it's not a reasonable answer at all?
All three?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 10:27 am
(October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 9:38 am)pocaracas Wrote: Science doesn't make the assumption of "no god".
Science is open to anything that comes...
Thus far, no god has been glimpsed by any scientific experiment... "no god" is a working conclusion based on ALL scientific observation made so far.... and you may appreciate that there have been made quite a few and then some more.
Well then "science" must really be in a mess. It cannot account fro how anything got here without violating its on laws and principles. Care to elaborate?
Science, as it is today, doesn't claim to have all the answers. In fact,many are still to come. Some have been answered to varying degrees of certainty/accuracy. Some are under the process of scrutiny, some are in the drawing board... and some are yet to be arrived at.
(October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But wait maybe God did create everything. Only reasonable answer. Maybe... it's a possibility... but not the only one.... much less the only reasonable one.
Wait and let science do its work.
Don't assume you know the answer.
(October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: But they do not allow God as the answer. Thus far, for every problem that once had a "goddidit" solution, science has debunked it and showed that no god was required... take lightning, volcanoes, earthquakes, eclipses, etc... Thus far, "goddidit" has seen its position recede to an ever shrinking gap, hence the name usually applied to that line of reasoning "god of the gaps".
If, at any time, a god does show up to be scrutinized as the cause of any phenomenon, then science will incorporate it into its canon. Until then, all we can say is "no god has been found to operate on this planet, nor on this Universe".
(October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: So "science" is closed not open minded
The way I see it, you are the one who's close minded.
You propose the solution to everything while closing your mind to any and all criticism of such proposition.
You shun anything that science has determined through painstaking cross-validation, just because it contradicts your book of tales about a magical entity which you call god.
Your book was written by people far before science knew what it does now. How can you claim it to be valid?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 10:49 am
(October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 9:38 am)pocaracas Wrote: Science doesn't make the assumption of "no god".
Science is open to anything that comes...
Thus far, no god has been glimpsed by any scientific experiment... "no god" is a working conclusion based on ALL scientific observation made so far.... and you may appreciate that there have been made quite a few and then some more.
Well then "science" must really be in a mess. It cannot account fro how anything got here without violating its on laws and principles.
But wait maybe God did create everything. Only reasonable answer.
But they do not allow God as the answer.
So "science" is closed not open minded
Anything for which there is evidence is considered as a provisional answer.
But apparently that is simply too subtle for your black/white thinking.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 1:10 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 10:49 am)Chas Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 10:02 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Well then "science" must really be in a mess. It cannot account fro how anything got here without violating its on laws and principles.
But wait maybe God did create everything. Only reasonable answer.
But they do not allow God as the answer.
So "science" is closed not open minded
Anything for which there is evidence is considered as a provisional answer.
But apparently that is simply too subtle for your black/white thinking.
No body has even come up with anything that can explain how we get from atoms to even the first living cell.
I have evidence. The Holy Bible claims to be the record of the person, God, who did it. So it must be considered as possibly the very eye witness of the person God who actually did it.
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm
If you are that sure, why don't you debate Esquilax?
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RE: Some Simple Questions show Atheistic Origin Science is false (proof 2 begins)
October 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 1:13 pm)Rationalman Wrote: If you are that sure, why don't you debate Esquilax?
I have been doing that.
He has not answered the issues I have raised.
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