(October 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(October 22, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Writer Wrote: I just got stupid high

Me too

(October 22, 2013 at 3:54 pm)Writer Wrote: I'm a twenty year old female that works at Wendy's.

I'll have two doubles with bacon, a large chili, large fries, Ex-large vanilla Frosty™, and three of each of whatever you have for dessert.

It's sad that I immediately started totaling the amount in my head. I gotta get out of this job.

(October 23, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Writer Wrote: I don't believe in anything.

Everybody's gotta believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.

(October 22, 2013 at 11:48 pm)Writer Wrote: I know higher powers in the sense of the individual person. Lol. I mean a higher power for all of humanity to answer to. Something that senses out moods, determines our fates, etc. My boo thang is in the military, we originally enlisted together. So I know all about that.

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(October 22, 2013 at 10:47 pm)Drich Wrote: No.

I did not really find God till I was in my late teens early twenties.

What brought you to God? Can you name a specific event?

this was a starting point.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

(October 24, 2013 at 9:46 am)Drich Wrote: http://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

So he has/had Sleep Apnea, and his brain became slightly de-oxygenated. No gods needed to explain that easy one.
Happens all the time. MRI scans, and PET scans and Neuroscience can, and has, replicated that many times in the lab. No gods involved. It's been debunked. Rats have NDE's. So what.

(October 24, 2013 at 8:30 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(October 24, 2013 at 9:46 am)Drich Wrote: https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

So he has/had Sleep Apnea, and his brain became slightly de-oxygenated. No gods needed to explain that easy one.
Happens all the time. MRI scans, and PET scans and Neuroscience can, and has, replicated that many times in the lab. No gods involved. It's been debunked. Rats have NDE's. So what.

Yep.

Another symptom of sleep apnea is waking up in sleep paralysis. It is actually very common.

Dritch even describes it perfectly here -

" I use to stop breathing while I slept, and I remember one time I was a sleep, but realized I was fairly lucid, but at the same time I could not wake because I had stopped breathing, I remember trying to wake myself, but couldn't."

He could have just as easily imagined aliens, and he'd now be an alien abduction believer.

Dritch has been duped by his brain doing what brains do when under abnormal sleep patterns. And now he believes in all sorts of crap.

Just because we can explain how something works does not mean God did not still 'work it' all out that way.

Why would God create all the natural processes science can label, just to have to circumvent them everytime He wanted something done? If God is the God creation why in your opinion would this same God forced to only work in unexplainable ways?

Which way again did he work it? By what mechanism? You said yourself we don't need to know how it works, but we at least know a car works because it has a motor, or a computer works because of its internal components. What was god's motor? The evidence should lead to him if he's there.

(October 27, 2013 at 12:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Just because we can explain how something works does not mean God did not still 'work it' all out that way.

But if you're going to just reroute your belief around each and every obstacle by retracting your claim just outside the reach of scientific knowledge, you'll lose your rational justification for believing it, and if you keep doing it, your credibility will soon follow.

Quote:Why would God create all the natural processes science can label, just to have to circumvent them everytime He wanted something done? If God is the God creation why in your opinion would this same God forced to only work in unexplainable ways?

If your god only works in ways indistinguishable from entirely natural processes, how can you possibly tell which events are made to happen by god, and which are just natural? And how can you tell he's there at all?