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How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?

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How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 3:01 am
How indeed.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 10:22 am
(October 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm)John V Wrote: You guys also need to consider if your position on omnipotence is ad hoc.

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I'm the one going by the dictionary definition. You're the one claiming that omnipotence doesn't mean "all-powerful" because the bible says there are some things that God can't do.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 11:36 am
(October 25, 2013 at 2:25 am)Zen Badger Wrote:
(October 24, 2013 at 11:18 pm)catfish Wrote: LOL

You asked a question and made up an answer if "OK" was not a response to my "get to work" comment.

In other words:

You lied???


OK....

Fuck off jesus junkie.

I did not not imply that and you fucking know it.

Stop trying to derail the thread with your fucking lies.

Dude, just stop. I pointed out your dishonest tactics, deal with it.
Go smoke a fish or something.
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#164
RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Give it up fish
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 10:22 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote:
(October 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm)John V Wrote: You guys also need to consider if your position on omnipotence is ad hoc.

I'm the one going by the dictionary definition. You're the one claiming that omnipotence doesn't mean "all-powerful" because the bible says there are some things that God can't do.
1. As noted, most English translations say almighty. Might can indeed agree with your usage, or it can be limited as I propose (dictionary definitions have been posted). Therefore we need to look to the context to determine which is intended. I provided a passage which supports my position.

2. Regarding the ad hoc question - answer it. Can a Christian refute a charge that omniscience precludes free will by saying that god is also omnipotent, and so can do anything, including the logically impossible?

3. The guy who needs pictures is usually losing.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 12:39 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm)John V Wrote: 3. The guy who needs pictures is usually losing.

Yes because that is an established fact of discussion
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 25, 2013 at 1:07 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 12:20 pm)John V Wrote: 3. The guy who needs pictures is usually losing.

I didn't need the picture, I added it for comic effect.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Omnipotence is Gods ability to do anything He WANTS to do.
But God is not compelled to do anything.

People mistakenly think omniscience is a separate quality of God's nature.
But the verb "to know" is a merely a sub-set of God's abilities of which there are many things He can 'do' if He wants.

Can God know the future if He wants? Of course.

Is He compelled to constantly know every aspect of the future. No. Why would He, of all people, need to worry about what might happen as a result of human free will?
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 26, 2013 at 9:54 pm (This post was last modified: October 26, 2013 at 9:56 pm by Zen Badger.)
(October 26, 2013 at 9:50 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: Omnipotence is Gods ability to do anything He WANTS to do.
But God is not compelled to do anything.

People mistakenly think omniscience is a separate quality of God's nature.
But the verb "to know" is a merely a sub-set of God's abilities of which there are many things He can 'do' if He wants.

Can God know the future if He wants? Of course.

Is He compelled to constantly know every aspect of the future. No. Why would He, of all people, need to worry about what might happen as a result of human free will?

Really? And where in the bible does it say this?
Or are you just pulling more crap out of your ass?
(October 25, 2013 at 11:36 am)catfish Wrote:
(October 25, 2013 at 2:25 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Fuck off jesus junkie.

I did not not imply that and you fucking know it.

Stop trying to derail the thread with your fucking lies.

Dude, just stop. I pointed out your dishonest tactics, deal with it.
Go smoke a fish or something.

Coming from the wanker that got a temporary ban for being a fuckstick, that's real cute.
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RE: How can a god, that apparently loves everyone, allow this kind of thing to happen?
October 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm
Do you agree that omnipotence is an expression that God can do anything He wants?
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