(November 2, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 9:04 pm)catfish Wrote: God said?

Go, devil's advocate!

I could kudos you all night long for this big fella

(November 2, 2013 at 9:15 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Go, devil's advocate!

I could kudos you all night long for this big fella

Go go gadget bromance!

(November 2, 2013 at 9:17 pm)catfish Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 9:15 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I could kudos you all night long for this big fella

Go go gadget bromance!

Just for you sugartush!

In Christianity, the "thou shalt nots" are given with the expectation of divine punishment if you fail to follow through.

In Humanism, the "Thou shalts" are not binding and if you fail to keep them there's no divine punishment. It's more of a set of guidelines rather than divine commands. And really these "commandments" are only kind of a suggestion, it's not official Humanist doctrine because there is no Humanist doctrine other than "don't be a dick."

A law which isn't enforced can hardly be called a law.
One of the defining qualities of Gods objective morality is enforceability.
...it is and He can!

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The humanist 10 *cough* Commandments, are just personal opinions.

(November 3, 2013 at 12:52 am)Lion IRC Wrote: A law which isn't enforced can hardly be called a law.
One of the defining qualities of Gods objective morality is enforceability.
...it is and He can!

A law enforced by a tyrant under the misguided guise of love is still ungodly.

Well, like God's Ten Commandments it has some things in there that should be self-explanatory, but sadly we don't seem to live in that world where things like 3 and 4 should be encoded into you at birth.

I only need one commandment.

Love.

If you love someone, you won't hurt them or cheat them, murder them or beat them. If you love someone you won't covet them, or control them or threaten them or force them. If you love someone you will accept them for who they are, not who you think they should be. If you love someone you will always be there for them no matter what. If you love someone you'll do what's right for them even if it hurts. If you love those around you, you'll live life in a way that is good for them. If you love people you'll help them no matter how hard it is to do so, no matter the cost. If you love people then you'll be patient with them, and kind. Love can be given despite differences, over borders, gender, and race..

If we all loved one another, imagine what life could be like?

I appreciate the sentiment, but find the 'ten commandments' to be terribly counterproductive on a PR scale. As an atheist I feel that having this comparison between secular/humanistic "golden rules" and OT commandments insulting, but hey that's just my opinion.

On a personal note I find the "thou shalts, and thy's" to be a nice flashy, archaic touch but largely unnecessary and counter-intuitive for it forms yet another parallel between the biblical commandments which can be misconstrued by the religious masses as a shot at their beliefs. When in fact they seem to be a half-formed attempt to bridge the void between theistic beliefs and secular morality. Ditch the dogmatic aspects and I think we'd be well on our way to widely accepted secular "golden rules".

I may be well off the mark on some of this but this was my initial thought process when I read over the AHA webpage.

Yeah, there's really no good reason to use the words "thy," "thou" or "shalt" in today's language.

Really though, Humanism can be narrowed down to "treat others how you want to be treated" and "Try to find the solutions to problems rather than looking toward imaginary deities to make them better."