STILL missing the old avatar- if you bring it back, I'll play with you a little bit.

(December 11, 2013 at 2:58 pm)DOS Wrote: "You ape, you assent to get the better of me. Hold your tongue; you won't understand anything. If there is no God, then I am God."

"There, I could never understand that point of yours: why are you God?"

"If God exists, all is His will and from His will I cannot escape. If not, it's all my will and I am bound to show self-will."

"Self-will? But why are you bound?"

"Because all will has become mine. Can it be that no one in the whole planet, after making an end of God and believing in his own will, will dare to express his self-will on the most vital point? It's like a beggar inheriting a fortune and being afraid of it and not daring to approach the bag of gold, thinking himself too weak to own it. I want to manifest my self-will. I may be the only one, but I'll do it."

"Do it by all means."

"I am bound to shoot myself because the highest point of my self-will is to kill myself with my own hands."

"But you won't be the only one to kill yourself; there are lots of suicides."

"With good cause. But to do it without any cause at all, simply for self-will, I am the only one."
The Devils by Fyodor Dostoesvky.

Sure, I'll kill myself. It's worth it because then I can see whether the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland is the one true god.

(December 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Zazzy Wrote: STILL missing the old avatar- if you bring it back, I'll play with you a little bit.

You shallow bird.

For a contrary opinion to the OP, I suggest Camus's "The Myth of Sysiphis" (sp)

I think the person making the positive claim is the one who should prove it. By killing himself.

(December 11, 2013 at 7:43 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: For a contrary opinion to the OP, I suggest Camus's "The Myth of Sysiphis" (sp)

Never heard of that one, though I have read some Camus, but I suspect you mean "Sisyphus" as in the boulder guy. I genuinely read your comment as "The Myth of Syphillis".

And what point would atheist suicide prove?
I think about suicide all the time but it's not to prove some sort of point lol.

(December 12, 2013 at 12:31 am)feeling Wrote: And what point would atheist suicide prove?
I think about suicide all the time but it's not to prove some sort of point lol.

Manifest your self will, as long as you don't kill yourself it remains the will of God and from His will you cannot escape.

(December 11, 2013 at 7:39 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(December 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm)Zazzy Wrote: STILL missing the old avatar- if you bring it back, I'll play with you a little bit.

You shallow bird.

Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it. I, too, wanna see that sexy little butt. Would you deny a bird my age a little taste?

Dostoyevsky is one of my favorite authors...partially for his characters. You know, fictional people.

Don't let this post deter you from reading his works. Great author. Lots of well developed (sometimes too much so) characters that can be hard to keep track of with their Russian names but otherwise, fabulous books.