(December 18, 2013 at 9:18 am)Nineteen Wrote: Sects consist due to hadiths , not Quran interpretation . Allah clearly forbids in Quran to believe other things except Quran . Big part of muslims defines themselves in a sect and this situation does not change this is a big mistake . Also a large part of the people believed that the earth was flat and they had killed who say its round . Almost the same thing .

What you're doing at the moment is you deny the world's roundness .

Oh, what the hell, I'll bite: And the quran is proof of Allah because it says so in the quran?

This reminds me that muslims are adapting and using the persecution complex. This passive-aggressive rethoric is rather common among christians.

(December 18, 2013 at 9:18 am)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 18, 2013 at 9:01 am)Duck Wrote: Nineteen, you are the first to use the word sect. That aside, even you will find it hard to deny there are different branches or interpretations of Islam, such as Sunni and Shi'ite? This is as much a fact as anything really can be. These interpretations may not be the same as yours or even compatible with yours, but people do have them. Lots and lots of people.

Sects consist due to hadiths , not Quran interpretation . Allah clearly forbids in Quran to believe other things except Quran . Big part of muslims defines themselves in a sect and this situation does not change this is a big mistake . Also a large part of the people believed that the earth was flat and they had killed who say its round . Almost the same thing .

What you're doing at the moment is you deny the world's roundness .

I'm sorry WHAT???!!! OK, so sects are wrong because they are based on something other than the Quran. Crazy, but at least consistently crazy.

I agree that a large number of people were killed by religious people for expressing views in contrast to theirs, such as 'The earth is flat'.

The shape of the earth (globular, vaguely) is demonstrable, and I have seen very good evidence and that is why I will be happy to say the the earth is not flat.

What am I denying? I don't think I denied anything in my post. Also, if it is like denying the Earth's shape there must be equally compelling evidence for this idea as there is for the Earth's shape.

Quote:This reminds me that muslims are adapting and using the persecution complex. This passive-aggressive rethoric is rather common among christians.

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Sadly true. It's a bit of an embarrassment.

(December 18, 2013 at 9:28 am)LastPoet Wrote: Oh, what the hell, I'll bite: And the quran is proof of Allah because it says so in the quran?

This reminds me that muslims are adapting and using the persecution complex. This passive-aggressive rethoric is rather common among christians.

She blocked me because I proved from her Qur'an that she was out of line so that's no use either. She needs validation man, you gotta tell her she's right, at least until you get to fuck her, then, to start the rodeo, while you take her from the back, you whisper in her ear slowly "you're wrong" and then you try to stay on her for as long as you can handle it.

(December 18, 2013 at 5:22 am)Nineteen Wrote:

(December 17, 2013 at 8:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote: This isn't because Nineteen is young. It's because she's an aggressive idiot.

Why I'm "agressive" and "idiot" ? Because I'm not agree with you ? Actually I'm the last person in this world who can be defined as aggressive , I'm a quiet person generally and I dont oppose anyone as long as they dont do crazy things . Maybe this is why I have lots of friends from different parts of world with different back grounds .

But in this forum , you generally insult me and this is an indication of your characters . If you want to be friend with me and discuss with me , the first thing you need to learn is to speak without insults in a proper manner . We could be opposite sighted and this is not a obstacle for me to eat my lunch together with you or spending a Sunday afternoon with you .

I wont be mercifull about this issue . The persons in ignore list will stay there forever . And Esquilax , you're in ignore no more , maybe not in list , but in my mind . Salaam .

During my first encounter with you, you made a wild assertion and then asked to back it up you refused and asked us to do the research for you. Then you Got mad because people just dismissed your claim. Now nineteen I have a 2 fold question for you, how do you know the Quran is the word of god and that you are interpretibg it correctly?

(December 18, 2013 at 9:18 am)Nineteen Wrote: Sects consist due to hadiths , not Quran interpretation . Allah clearly forbids in Quran to believe other things except Quran .

So is the Quran so perfectly clear so as there are never any arguments over what the verses mean? All muslims the world over agree on this?

(December 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So is the Quran so perfectly clear so as there are never any arguments over what the verses mean? All muslims the world over agree on this?

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Compassionate.
11:1 A1L30R200. A book whose signs have been ascertained, then detailed, from One who is Wise, Ever-aware.

12:111 In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It is not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present, a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who acknowledge.

3:78 From amongst them is a group that twists their tongues with the book so that you may count it from the book, while it is not from the book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they knowingly say lies about God

6:116 If you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you away from God's path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

Why don't you scrutinize the source text (The Quran) the same way you do for the hadiths?

(December 18, 2013 at 2:12 pm)Nineteen Wrote: In the name of God, the Gracious, the Compassionate.

I wanted to say congratulations on her accurate quotes but then I saw the terms in bold and said Ahh! No congratulations.

As a Muslim you can't use the word God in the phase bismillah al rahman al rahim because God is ambiguous from the Muslim point of view. If you add an "s" it becomes Gods, if you add father or mother it becomes Godfather, Godmother, if you add "dess" it becomes Goddess, if you add "less" it becomes Godless. Surat Al-'Ikhlāş112:1: "Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,"

That's why Muslims use Allah because you can't play around with the word it means Allah the one and only, Allah the greatest, most gracious, most merciful, bismillah al rahman al rahim. You also have to say MOST gracious MOST merciful. Attributes have to be UNIQUE. God the gracious is blasphemy. You can say a stripper is gracious but Allah is MOST gracious.

So no congratulations, she doesn't know WHAT she's talking about.

(December 18, 2013 at 2:12 pm)Nineteen Wrote: In the name of God, the Gracious, the Compassionate.
11:1 A1L30R200. A book whose signs have been ascertained, then detailed, from One who is Wise, Ever-aware.

12:111 In their stories is a lesson for the people of intelligence. It is not a hadith that was invented, but an authentication of what is already present, a detailing of all things, and a guidance and mercy to a people who acknowledge.

3:78 From amongst them is a group that twists their tongues with the book so that you may count it from the book, while it is not from the book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they knowingly say lies about God

6:116 If you obey the majority of those on earth they will lead you away from God's path; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess.

I'm sorry was that supposed to prove the quran as the word of god and that you are interpreting it correctly?