Quote:Backpedal? No, you don't understand my meaning. I am talking about religious views on pre-marital sex, not the bible.

Meaning it doesn't exactly apply to this conversation, so why even bring it up?

Actually, it does apply to the conversation. Last I checked, not all of the questions presented mentioned the bible. It is you who seem to want to stick strictly to the bible in this conversation. Again, you are not arguing that pre-marital sex is taboo in many religions, so why do you continue to bring it up as if it were some ace-in-the-hole for you?

Quote:Well yeah, but it's not like the rules are that demanding. I can live with no incest or bestiality.

I love how you say that as if those were the only rules.

Quote:Or you could just call Him 'God', saves a lot of trouble.

For whom? Rest assured, I am hardly troubled by calling "him" the sky-wizard. It really makes no difference to me how I refer to a non-existent entity. I can hardly help it, if it troubles you. It's up to you how you take it.

(February 21, 2010 at 9:01 pm)Shell B Wrote: Actually, it does apply to the conversation. Last I checked, not all of the questions presented mentioned the bible. It is you who seem to want to stick strictly to the bible in this conversation. Again, you are not arguing that pre-marital sex is taboo in many religions, so why do you continue to bring it up as if it were some ace-in-the-hole for you?

I'm not even sure what you're on about anymore, let's just drop that one.

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Quote:Well yeah, but it's not like the rules are that demanding. I can live with no incest or bestiality.

I love how you say that as if those were the only rules.

And the other demanding rules of "Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse." It's really not as hard as you're making it out to be.

Quote:For whom? Rest assured, I am hardly troubled by calling "him" the sky-wizard.

It seems very unnecessary. It makes no point and does nothing besides taking a childish shot at religion.

Quote: Actually, it does apply to the conversation. Last I checked, not all of the questions presented mentioned the bible. It is you who seem to want to stick strictly to the bible in this conversation. Again, you are not arguing that pre-marital sex is taboo in many religions, so why do you continue to bring it up as if it were some ace-in-the-hole for you?

I'm not even sure what you're on about anymore, let's just drop that one.

I'm not surprised.

Quote: I love how you say that as if those were the only rules.

And the other demanding rules of "Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse." It's really not as hard as you're making it out to be.

You're still leaving one out. You know, that one that's not in the bible.

Quote:It seems very unnecessary. It makes no point and does nothing besides taking a childish shot at religion.

It may not be necessary, but it sure does get people offended for no reason. It shows you what I equate your god with, if you must have a reason.

(February 21, 2010 at 9:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: I'm not surprised.

It's not really a victory when you start spewing irrelevant 'points' and it becomes so convoluted I give up.

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Quote: I love how you say that as if those were the only rules.

And the other demanding rules of "Sex may never be used as a weapon against a spouse, either by depriving the spouse of sex or by compelling it. It is a serious offense to use sex (or lack thereof) to punish or manipulate a spouse." It's really not as hard as you're making it out to be.

You're still leaving one out. You know, that one that's not in the bible.

About pre-marital sex? Yeah, that's not really an issue. No specific rule was against it until some time after the Bible was actually written, so it ranks pretty low on my give-a-shit o-meter.

Quote: I'm not surprised.

It's not really a victory when you start spewing irrelevant 'points' and it becomes so convoluted I give up.

Oh, for pity's sake, Alex. You gave up because you didn't fucking get it. Let me make it simple: I made a point in which the bible wasn't mentioned even once; you said, but, but, but the bible; I said I didn't mention the bible; you pretended that the conversation was strictly about the bible so you could ignore what I said; I, again, pointed out that I didn't mention the bible and then you pretended that I was a driveling idiot to make yourself feel better.

Quote:About pre-marital sex? Yeah, that's not really an issue. No specific rule was against it until some time after the Bible was actually written, so it ranks pretty low on my give-a-shit o-meter.

So, there is one that doesn't pertain to rape, incest or bestiality? I knew we'd get there someday. I see that you jumped back on the bible. So, are you telling me that you don't have to follow the rules of your religion, if it isn't in the bible?

(February 21, 2010 at 9:36 pm)Shell B Wrote: Oh, for pity's sake, Alex. You gave up because you didn't fucking get it. Let me make it simple: I made a point in which the bible wasn't mentioned even once; you said, but, but, but the bible; I said I didn't mention the bible; you pretended that the conversation was strictly about the bible so you could ignore what I said; I, again, pointed out that I didn't mention the bible and then you pretended that I was a driveling idiot to make yourself feel better.

a) Cool your jets.
b) You mentioned premarital sex in the middle of a conversation regarding the Bible and Judeo-Christian beliefs.

This is irrelevant anyway.

Quote:So, there is one that doesn't pertain to rape, incest or bestiality? I knew we'd get there someday. I see that you jumped back on the bible.

Er, yeah, it's kind of my most important holy book.

Quote:So, are you telling me that you don't have to follow the rules of your religion, if it isn't in the bible?

Or contained in the codifications of the Oral Torah, yes, since that's pretty much the entire Jewish religious law right there.

(February 21, 2010 at 9:46 pm)Alex Wrote: Or contained in the codifications of the Oral Torah, yes, since that's pretty much the entire Jewish religious law right there.

And how many of the laws in the Torah do you reject?

Quote:a) Cool your jets.
b) You mentioned premarital sex in the middle of a conversation regarding the Bible and Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Oh, these jets are cool, pal. Thanks for the order, though.

Parts of the conversation were not in regard to the bible. That is the point.

Quote: So, are you telling me that you don't have to follow the rules of your religion, if it isn't in the bible?

Or contained in the codifications of the Oral Torah, yes, since that's pretty much the entire Jewish religious law right there.

So, it's not ALL about the bible?

Quote:Yes I've heard that phrase many times. Lots of people use words without understanding their connotation or meaning , with disregard to how their interpreted. I fully agree that the majority of Christians I've met can't seperate their personal moral standards from the rules set in the bible. If they did, upon closer inspection, they would realize that what they allow themselves to do in their life isn't in line with the teachings of Jesus. So while a lot of Chrsitiasns believe that the US is based off their Christian taught morals, in actuality it's based off of a moralistic status quo based on location and time. So I hold to my rewording and respectfully agree to disagree.

Everything in bold I agree with this some what....I'm just happy they don't follow "Every" rule in the Bible...lol

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P.S. I haven't had a chance to read "Alex's" posts yet, but I'm looking forward to it...LOL (Only a little)...

I was wondering when we would get a Jewish believer posting.....

I have some questions for you Alex, and I'll get to them as soon as I have time.. (Sorry for the delay.)

(February 21, 2010 at 8:30 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Sorry I didn't realise you were addressing irrationally held belief in Christianity... I thought you were addressing all of us

Didn't I show you statistics of Christians who favor creationism in the US and UK?

Weren't they much more than the tiny minority you said they were?