I just want to state for the record that I am not associated with any of these other fucks defending philosophy. That is all. Goodnight.

(February 5, 2014 at 5:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I just want to state for the record that I am not associated with any of these other fucks defending philosophy.

What was the reason for insulting us, though? Because we're doing it badly? Well, if that is so, then let's take a look at what you said earlier in this thread:

http://atheistforums.org/thread-23906-po...#pid598374

(February 4, 2014 at 10:45 pm)rasetsu Wrote: As is likely well-known, philosophy is my thing. Like any subject, the people doing it badly greatly outnumber those doing it well. Pointing at people doing it badly is not particularly impressive to me.

(Emphasis mine)

I think philosophy is valuable. As others have said, it brought us science. Preceding experimentation, or if no experimentation is possible, philosophical thinking helps organize ideas and weed out piss poor possible answers among other things. Of course, as with people any other fields, philosophers can be idiots. But I have to respect the field for bringing science to the world. The problem arises, I think, when people put a lot of weight on a particular philosophy that is not shown to be factual, yet people believe it is for fallacious reasons, then wish to place it upon society - an example being social darwinism.

(February 5, 2014 at 6:20 pm)Rayaan Wrote:

(February 5, 2014 at 5:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I just want to state for the record that I am not associated with any of these other fucks defending philosophy.

What was the reason for insulting us, though? Because we're doing it badly?

It was a joke, douche bag. I realize that as a Muslim you're somewhat humor impaired by necessity, but do try to think outside the box occasionally.

(February 5, 2014 at 2:58 pm)là bạn điên Wrote: Computer programming comes directly from Logic - a branch of Philosophy call Anglo American Philosophy which is essentially built on a line of Philosophers including Russel , Wittgenstein and Ayer. Ayer wrote Language, Truth, and Logic in 1924 and Computer programming was born directly out of it. No Anglo-American philosophy means no computing. Critical thinking is also a direct product of Philosophy.

Care to back up what you're saying with some sources? I've done a brief search and found no mention of Logic programming having any connection to the people you mentioned or indeed this anglo-american philosophy...

Also, I think I may have a different idea of what philosophy is to what you do. I studied critical thinking myself at college level, I've also had a few classes in philosophy and found the two schools of thought to be very different. Philosophy seems to me to be concerned with asking questions and proposing paradoxes, that's about it. Critical thinking is all about employing logic to discern the strongest arguments and from there, truth. I guess there may be some crossover between the two but I think they're pretty different approaches when it comes to logical thinking. Then again I might have the totally wrong idea of what philosophy is and I may be thinking it's a lot more basic than what it actually is. As FreeTony said, a good definition of philosophy might make it easier for me to understand its relevance, but I've not seen any definition or use of philosophy that goes out and actually answers questions.

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(February 5, 2014 at 3:18 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Napo,

Philosophy is involved in computer science, too. It has contributed in many ways in laying out the goals and methodology of our daily computational artifacts.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computer-science/

Quote:For nearly every field of study, there is a branch of philosophy, called the philosophy of that field. …Since the main purpose of a given field of study is to contribute to knowledge, the philosophy of X is, at least in part, a branch of epistemology. Its purpose is to provide an account of the goals, methodology, and subject matter of X. (Shapiro 1983: 525)

To me this kind of philosophy is very different to the one implied in the OP. A different meaning almost. You may call creating goals and methodology "philosophy", I think it's a rather loose use of the term personally.

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(February 5, 2014 at 6:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote: It was a joke, douche bag. I realize that as a Muslim you're somewhat humor impaired by necessity, but do try to think outside the box occasionally.

It didn't seem like a joke to be fair, I thought myself you were being pretty bitchy. Guess that's our fault for misinterpreting.

(February 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Napoléon Wrote: It didn't seem like a joke to be fair, I thought myself you were being pretty bitchy. Guess that's our fault for misinterpreting.

This from the the person who proudly proclaims he doesn't understand half the shit I say. You've already previously disqualified yourself as a judge. I would have thought the use of stock comedic phrases like "That is all," and the obviously melodramatic "Goodnight" would be sufficient tip off that something more was afoot. I guess I've underestimated how much I need to dumb it down for you. My mistake.

(February 5, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Napoléon Wrote: To me this kind of philosophy is very different to the one implied in the OP. A different meaning almost. You may call creating goals and methodology "philosophy", I think it's a rather loose use of the term personally.

Then I suppose the disagreement mainly depends on one's understanding as to what constitutes philosophy.

I've always understood the meaning of the word "philosophy" in a broader sense, as it is used today. Philosophy generally includes any mental acitivity that deals with the abstract nature of things and/or when we try to synthesize different ideas (or even factual information) in a consistent and meaningful fashion. In that sense, the process of creating goals and methodology in computer programming can be classified as a field in philosophy because it requires thinking about some abstract aspects before doing the actual, physical work. You can see some examples of those at the link that I provided.

(February 5, 2014 at 6:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote: It was a joke, douche bag. I realize that as a Muslim you're somewhat humor impaired by necessity, but do try to think outside the box occasionally.

I highly doubt that was a joke. It didn't sound like a joke at all, and I'm pretty sure other members who will read that post won't interpret it be so as you claim.

Well, nice try playing the "I was just joking" card, but try a little harder next time if you ever decide to use that again.

(February 5, 2014 at 7:45 pm)rasetsu Wrote: This from the the person who proudly proclaims he doesn't understand half the shit I say. You've already previously disqualified yourself as a judge. I would have thought the use of stock comedic phrases like "That is all," and the obviously melodramatic "Goodnight" would be sufficient tip off that something more was afoot. I guess I've underestimated how much I need to dumb it down for you. My mistake.

Well, if you want to get technical, there was a 50% chance I would correctly interpret your post. I wouldn't say that disqualifies me as a judge, but hey ho.

Also, I didn't realise "that is all" was a stock comedic phrase, nor was the "goodnight" obviously melodramatic like you suggest.

I suppose you are on such a higher platform of intelligence to have to dumb down these things for such a simpleton like myself.

(February 5, 2014 at 1:37 pm)Napoléon Wrote:

(February 5, 2014 at 1:31 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Truth is correspondence between assertion and reality. Knowledge is a justified true belief. Reason is entirely guided by one's emotions. Talking of a world devoid of subjective experience is meaningless. Do I need to keep going?

You started? You didn't answer my question at all.

You specifically asked me for questions philosophy has answered. I gave you 4 or 5. Don't be an asshat and forget your own question.

(February 5, 2014 at 8:43 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: You specifically asked me for questions philosophy has answered. I gave you 4 or 5. Don't be an asshat and forget your own question.

Yes. You're right, I DID specifically ask you for questions philosophy has answered. What you gave was a little different though?

"Truth is correspondence between assertion and reality." - Statement.

"Knowledge is a justified true belief." - Statement.

"Reason is entirely guided by one's emotions." - Statement.

"Talking of a world devoid of subjective experience is meaningless." - Statement.

Maybe I'm missing something. Where are the questions?