(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact.

Next time, you can just honestly admit that you don't understand science at all, and save us the time. A scientific theory is different from the common usage of the word; a scientific theory is, in fact, made up of facts.

You did a real dumb here. Next time, I suggest actually bothering to know about the thing you're talking about, before you decide it's wrong. To do otherwise is entirely dishonest, and I'm sure you don't want to be that, right?

Quote: God created different creatures after their "kind."

"Kind" has no scientific definition, and the fraudsters who propagate that term use expanding and contracting meanings as it fits their argument. It's a single word lie whenever it's used, and I will not entertain its use here.

Incidentally, in the simplistic sense that you're using the word, we can demonstrably prove that this is untrue; we have a complete lineage of the deer "kind" evolving into the whale "kind," which is something you can look up right now, though I don't think you'll bother, since it contradicts what you want to be true.

Quote: We could see some changes happen after generations like skin pigmentation but nothing close from one kind changing into another kind -- like a frog evolving into a gopher.

We already know that you don't know what you're talking about, no need to flaunt it. Evolution has never, once, stated that one organism would magically change into another, and it's terribly frustrating to see people waving their ignorance of this basic fact around as though they're proud of it.

Do you even appreciate the utter arrogance of what you're doing here? How can you disagree with evolution if you don't even understand the most basic mechanism of it? Isn't this just a lie by omission? How correct can you be, if all your arguments rely on premises that simply aren't true?

I suggest that you go here, and research what you're talking about. If you don't, then why should any of us bother to engage you on a topic that you're happy to remain aggressively ignorant about?

Quote:The fossil record shows no such evidence of that kind of transformation.

Wrong again. Doesn't your god dislike liars?

Quote:God said that Creation itself testifies that there is a Creator.

How do you intend to demonstrate that we live in a creation?

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact. God created different creatures after their "kind." We could see some changes happen after generations like skin pigmentation but nothing close from one kind changing into another kind -- like a frog evolving into a gopher. The fossil record shows no such evidence of that kind of transformation.

Why is it so difficult for you nimrods to just pick up a damn book and actually learn what the theory states instead of humiliating yourselves with such jaw-dropping public displays of ignorance and idiocy? Frogs to gophers? No -- just no. I suppose you wouldn't mind naming one actual biologist who believes such nonsense, would you?

And by the way, "theory" in a scientific context has a particular meaning. Again, quit relying on your pastor, your parents, or some imbecile from Answers in Genesis for your "understanding" of science. There are these places called libraries. I suggest you use one. There is no excuse for you not to know these things.

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(February 15, 2014 at 3:07 am)Esquilax Wrote: That's a real pity for you then, because evolution is a confirmed, biological fact. We can literally watch it happening, in some cases. Denying it now is the same as denying that the sky is blue, or that you need air to live.


I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend that I do either. So far, the evidence points to abiogenesis, but I'm comfortable in accepting that we don't have a definitive answer yet.


Why would I even bother, then? Why would you even bother coming here? If you're happy to seal yourself away from rational conversation, to make your beliefs impenetrable to reason and facts, and to work solely from unjustified presuppositions, then why don't you just sit in a room with a bible and pat yourself on the back over and over while telling yourself how right you are?

Nobody is going to take you seriously if you stick to this sentiment. If your mission here is to share the words of your god with us, then you've failed as long as you keep this presupposition, because now you have no credibility. We value honesty here, and if your position is "The bible's right, and if any fact disagrees with it, then it's wrong, because the bible's right," then you have an inherently dishonest position, and we will not take you seriously.

Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact. God created different creatures after their "kind." We could see some changes happen after generations like skin pigmentation but nothing close from one kind changing into another kind -- like a frog evolving into a gopher. The fossil record shows no such evidence of that kind of transformation.

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(February 16, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Beccs Wrote: Yet when asked for proof fo your deity we've always received nothing but claims from incredulity and ignorance.

God said that Creation itself testifies that there is a Creator.

In other words, you have no proof for your deity apart form the aforementioned claims from incredulity and ignorance.

Gotcha.

"Evolution is just a theory!"
"God created different creatures after their "kind.""

More displays of the ignorance of the creationist.

Read up on Evolution and stop copying and pasting ignorance from creationist websites.

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact.

Wow, people actually still say this!

Quote:God created different creatures after their "kind."

Were you there?

Quote:We could see some changes happen after generations like skin pigmentation but nothing close from one kind changing into another kind -- like a frog evolving into a gopher. The fossil record shows no such evidence of that kind of transfo

Not from a frog to a gopher, that's silly, why would it show that? Oh right you just parroted a dumb talking point you heard somewhere. Don't use those anymore, it's just embarrassing for you.
But concerning the fossil record, from amphibians to reptiles, and from reptiles to precursors of mammals there are

Quote:God said that Creation itself testifies that there is a Creator.

Were you there?

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact.

Creationism isn't even a theory. It's just a thing you say and can't prove. The English term for this is 'horseshit'.

Quote:You did a real dumb here.

Par for the course with a dickhead like this.

(February 17, 2014 at 2:34 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:You did a real dumb here.

Par for the course with a dickhead like this.

I live in hope that, despite the sheer idiocy of the statements we're getting, that this guy actually cares about honesty and the truth as much as he claims to, to the point where he'll at least educate himself before coming back to the discussion. I can understand ignorance once, but... well, we'll see.

Fuck, it's not even about convincing him that he's wrong, really. It's just logical, that if you're going to come into a conversation hoping to demonstrate your point, that you shouldn't do so using premises that everyone around you already knows are wrong. I'm hoping that we've got a victim of christian home schooling on our hands, and not a little Ken Ham junior.

Some of the attitudes that I have witnessed on this forum are disgusting. The word of God prophesies of such:

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God" (2 Tim 3:1-4)

It's a simple truth for simple people.

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(February 17, 2014 at 3:54 am)The Good News Wrote: Some of the attitudes that I have witnessed on this forum are disgusting. The word of God prophesies of such:

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God" (2 Tim 3:1-4)

Not you, though! You're doing the work of God by going to a forum full of atheists and arguing with them! lawd jesus

You're in our house, slobbercock. You don't like our attitude? See yourself the fuck out, then.

Hi there good news.

Could you satisfy my curiosity about a creationist question.

The world throngs with pathogenic bacteria and viruses. Things which kill people.

When were these creatures created? Because the creation of animals came before death. I understand why god would create animals designed to kill people before he decided people would have to die.