(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(February 16, 2014 at 11:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution is a theory. The one describes the other; they are not interchangeable.

Similarly, the Theory of Gravity describes the fact of gravitational attraction.


Good, then you can define the classification "kind" for us.


Yep; that's evolution.


How about a reptile evolving into a bird?


How convenient for you. The creator exists because the creation proves the creator exists. Now demonstrate that this creator is "God".

Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

The Word of God attests that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Please explain to me how gasses came from nothingness.

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(February 17, 2014 at 8:33 am)Tonus Wrote: That's a remarkably low standard you set for yourself. Understandable, considering what you're peddling, though.

If one sinner repents there is a great celebration in heaven.

"Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds?"

Why do you keep repeating standard creationist lies and misinformation?

It comes down to this: Either you understand Evolution and you're deliberately lying about it (which is a sin, by the way), Or you're extremely ignorant of what evolution is and how it works, haven't bothered researching that which you criticise, and can't be bothered doing so, instead just repeating, as stated, the creationist lies and misinformation.

And yes, I know what your little contradictory book of fairytales states and it has no bearing on reality.

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(February 17, 2014 at 9:35 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You guys are being cruel.






Put him out of his misery already.

Nah, terrorising rodents is fun . . .

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

You have no idea how long it would take to teach a dullard such as yourself the myriad of principles behind evolution.
Read for yourself you dolt.
Some More
And More.

Quote:The Word of God attests that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

And?
That buffoon, Ron L. Hubbard writes a lot of fiction too and claims that its fact. Who gives a shit what a bunch of ancient goat herders wrote?

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(February 16, 2014 at 11:11 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution is a theory. The one describes the other; they are not interchangeable.

Similarly, the Theory of Gravity describes the fact of gravitational attraction.


Good, then you can define the classification "kind" for us.


Yep; that's evolution.


How about a reptile evolving into a bird?


How convenient for you. The creator exists because the creation proves the creator exists. Now demonstrate that this creator is "God".

Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

The Word of God attests that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Please explain to me how gasses came from nothingness.

Nobody's claiming that anything came from "nothing". Read some cosmology. All that's "known" is that 13.7 billion years ago the universe went from being very very small to considerably larger very quickly indeed and it's been getting bigger ever since.

As for where the initial Very Small Universe came from, or what was here BEFORE the universe expanded, not only do we NOT know, it's possible we'll NEVER know. Indeed the whole question of what was here before the Big Bang may be meaningless as many astrophysicists are now of the opinion that the Big Bang was the moment time itself STARTED.

So we don't know whether something came from nothing, or indeed IF something could come from nothing (Laurence Krauss has a theory as to how this might come about, but it requires a slightly idiosyncratic notion of "nothing"). And maybe we never will.

But YOU DON'T KNOW EITHER.

And the difference is, we're not going to just Make Something Up (or latch onto something someone ELSE has made up) and arbitrarily declare it to be The Truth just because it makes us feel good.

Because the other point is this: even if you could justify the claim that God Did It, you STILL haven't actually explained anything. Because now you have to explain GOD.

Where did HE come from? Who created him? Is he eternal and uncreated? In which case how does he exist? Does he inhabit a realm beyond our universe? In which case, where is it? What mechanism did he use to create the universe? If he's non-physical, by what process does he affect the physical universe?

Unless you can explain God, you can't use God to "explain" anything. Your answer is still "I don't know", same as ours, except it PRETENDS to be an explanation. But it's not.

You can't explain the unexplained by recourse to the inexplicable.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Reptiles evolved into birds, really?

Yep, really. In fact, modern birds are basically new dinosaurs. Weird, right?

Quote: Based on what?

Well, cladistic similarities, for one. For another, we've got a fairly exhaustive fossil record that even shows transitional forms like the feathered, winged reptile Archeopteryx. You know, evidence.

Quote: If so why did some evolve and some didn't?

Because evolution is the result of random genetic mutations over successive generations. Those organisms who were born with mutations that allowed them to be successful- in this case, bird like ones- survived and were able to pass their genes on. Those reptiles who gained different mutations diverged, and so long as they were able to survive, were able to pass on their own reptile genes too.

Remember how I linked you to a university level science source on all this?

Quote: Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds?

No: as I've said, since the mutations are random- the same ones that keep you from looking exactly the same as your parents, remember- some of them led to the bird branch on the evolutionary tree, and others led to continued, varied reptile branches on the same tree. If you take a left at a fork in the road, does that mean the right side path ceases to exist?

Quote:Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

It's a randomized process, and as I've told you before, evolution doesn't happen to single organisms. It's not, like, a transformation. Have you been listening at all?

Quote:The Word of God attests that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Please explain to me how gasses came from nothingness.

This has nothing to do with evolution, but I'll just say that I don't know. Please explain to me how god came from nothingness, Mr Strawman.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

Really? You have the whole internet at your fingertips with the entire combined wealth of human knowledge propping up the porn and the Viagra ads, and you decided it would be better to go with a variation of the old "if men came from monkeys, why do we still have monkeys" cliché? Either millions of years of years of human evolution were wasted producing the braincells that regurgitated that shit or your pet god must be seriously slamming its head against a wall somewhere right now.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: The Word of God attests that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Fine. Now all you have to do is establish why anyone should take this "Word of God" seriously as an authority.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Please explain to me how gasses came from nothingness.

Please choose which subject you want to discuss - evolution or cosmology.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Reptiles evolved into birds, really? Based on what? If so why did some evolve and some didn't? Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds? Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

And this is why you shouldn't drop out of school before sixth grade.

(February 17, 2014 at 11:17 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 17, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Reptiles evolved into birds, really?

Yep, really. In fact, modern birds are basically new dinosaurs. Weird, right?

Quote: Based on what?

Well, cladistic similarities, for one. For another, we've got a fairly exhaustive fossil record that even shows transitional forms like the feathered, winged reptile Archeopteryx. You know, evidence.

Quote: If so why did some evolve and some didn't?

Because evolution is the result of random genetic mutations over successive generations. Those organisms who were born with mutations that allowed them to be successful- in this case, bird like ones- survived and were able to pass their genes on. Those reptiles who gained different mutations diverged, and so long as they were able to survive, were able to pass on their own reptile genes too.

Remember how I linked you to a university level science source on all this?

Quote: Wouldn't of all reptiles of ceased to exist and there be just more birds?

No: as I've said, since the mutations are random- the same ones that keep you from looking exactly the same as your parents, remember- some of them led to the bird branch on the evolutionary tree, and others led to continued, varied reptile branches on the same tree. If you take a left at a fork in the road, does that mean the right side path ceases to exist?

Quote:Who decides they stay a lizard and another will be a bird?

It's a randomized process, and as I've told you before, evolution doesn't happen to single organisms. It's not, like, a transformation. Have you been listening at all?

Quote:The Word of God attests that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Please explain to me how gasses came from nothingness.

This has nothing to do with evolution, but I'll just say that I don't know. Please explain to me how god came from nothingness, Mr Strawman.

DOn't you know? Absolutely NOTHING can come from nothing . . . except, conveniently, their god.

The mental gymnastics these people play are insane!

Oh and by the way: it's "Wouldn't have all reptiles have ceased to exist and there be just more birds?"

I can't do anything about your shitty sentence structure, but this abuse of grammar sets my teeth on edge.

The simple truth is that this thread has the hallmark of being created by a fecking half-wit.

I rather think you're over-estimating the level of wit.