Why are you a christian?

(March 20, 2014 at 10:03 pm)tor Wrote: Why are you a christian?

What else should I be? I believe in the concepts of the Christian God. But I seem to be surronded by other Christians who don't seem to be thinking clearly about them.

(March 20, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Hezekiah Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 10:03 pm)tor Wrote: Why are you a christian?

What else should I be? I believe in the concepts of the Christian God. But I seem to be surronded by other Christians who don't seem to be thinking clearly about them.

An atheist.
1)What makes you think christianity is true?
2)How do you handle problem of evil, problem of hell, problem of heaven, problem of omniscience and LOTS of other problems associated with it?

(March 20, 2014 at 10:19 pm)tor Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 10:10 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: What else should I be? I believe in the concepts of the Christian God. But I seem to be surronded by other Christians who don't seem to be thinking clearly about them.

An atheist.
1)What makes you think christianity is true?
2)How do you handle problem of evil, problem of hell, problem of heaven, problem of omniscience and LOTS of other problems of it?

I don't "handle" it, but rather am "handling" it. And any Christian who can say they have all the answers is self-delusional, because they would be implying that they are God. And that directly contradicts what they preach. I'm working through my personal beliefs (Christian or not) and questions every single day. And its a hellish struggle.

So far I can prove to myself one thing for a fact. One thing I know to be true no matter what anyone says, and that's I exist. I know I exist. I am. I just AM.

Secondly, when it all comes down to it, excluding all those problems first, I personally find peace in something, I don't know what, but something greater than myself. It satisfies my desire, and belief to admit to myself that there is something that I don't know about.

And finally, I personally decided that I'd rather believe in God, die, and nothing happen, than not believe God exist, die, and be proven wrong.

I guess that's the best way to desribe how I still hold on to these ideas.

(March 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm)Hezekiah Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 10:19 pm)tor Wrote: An atheist.
1)What makes you think christianity is true?
2)How do you handle problem of evil, problem of hell, problem of heaven, problem of omniscience and LOTS of other problems of it?

I don't "handle" it, but rather am "handling" it. And any Christian who can say they have all the answers is self-delusional, because they would be implying that they are God. And that directly contradicts what they preach. I'm working through my personal beliefs (Christian or not) and questions every single day. And its a hellish struggle.

So far I can prove to myself one thing for a fact. One thing I know to be true no matter what anyone says, and that's I exist. I know I exist. I am. I just AM.

Secondly, when it all comes down to it, excluding all those problems first, I personally find peace in something, I don't know what, but something greater than myself. It satisfies my desire, and belief to admit to myself that there is something that I don't know about.

And finally, I personally decided that I'd rather believe in God, die, and nothing happen, than not believe God exist, die, and be proven wrong.

I guess that's the best way to desribe how I still hold on to these ideas.

So you have 2 reasons so far.
1) Good feels.
2) Fear of punishment.

Both reasons suck in my opinion.
The pascals wager is addressed here
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?t...%27s_Wager

As for good feels you get em out of someone you fear in the same time. That's some sadomasochistic shit you got there.
Besides sounds like hellish struggles is a heavy price for good feels.

(March 20, 2014 at 5:50 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 8:05 am)Bad Writer Wrote: You're the one that's sad? Your posts are nothing but a huge disappointment to everyone reading them. We ask you straightforward questions, and yet you seem to always see fit to sidestep or completely dodge the issues entirely. You're the one that made the decision to come here and say the things you say; you cannot dictate how we will respond. I hate to break it to you, but if you're getting this much pushback from so many members, perhaps the problem you're having doesn't rest within us, but you're too dishonest to take a closer look at the things that you're actually saying.

I understand if you wish to remain silent in regards to my posts to you, but the longer you avoid answering these types of challenges, the harder it will become for you to be heard at all.

I like the way you keep saying ,we, you sound like a vulture, you feel so comfortable here with your like minded friends,but without them your weak, I have the balls to say what I want, and any place I want, there are some nice people here, but you my friend ain't one, you are gutless and I want nothing to do with you, so piss off.

LOL. All hail the king his majesty sir psycho the bold!

Listen, buddy. If what I'm saying irks you this badly, then fucking put me on ignore. That way you can say whatever the fuck you want without fear of reprisal from me. Deal?

(March 20, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Bad Writer Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 5:50 pm)psychoslice Wrote: I like the way you keep saying ,we, you sound like a vulture, you feel so comfortable here with your like minded friends,but without them your weak, I have the balls to say what I want, and any place I want, there are some nice people here, but you my friend ain't one, you are gutless and I want nothing to do with you, so piss off.

LOL. All hail the king his majesty sir psycho the bold!

Listen, buddy. If what I'm saying irks you this badly, then fucking put me on ignore. That way you can say whatever the fuck you want without fear of reprisal from me. Deal?

Na. I'll keep reading your crap, I am using this on another forum, where I am talking about arrogant atheist, so its good info, keep it up.

(March 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm)psychoslice Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 10:38 pm)Bad Writer Wrote: LOL. All hail the king his majesty sir psycho the bold!

Listen, buddy. If what I'm saying irks you this badly, then fucking put me on ignore. That way you can say whatever the fuck you want without fear of reprisal from me. Deal?

Na. I'll keep reading your crap, I am using this on another forum, where I am talking about arrogant atheist, so its good info, keep it up.

Give us the link

(March 20, 2014 at 10:36 pm)tor Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: I don't "handle" it, but rather am "handling" it. And any Christian who can say they have all the answers is self-delusional, because they would be implying that they are God. And that directly contradicts what they preach. I'm working through my personal beliefs (Christian or not) and questions every single day. And its a hellish struggle.

So far I can prove to myself one thing for a fact. One thing I know to be true no matter what anyone says, and that's I exist. I know I exist. I am. I just AM.

Secondly, when it all comes down to it, excluding all those problems first, I personally find peace in something, I don't know what, but something greater than myself. It satisfies my desire, and belief to admit to myself that there is something that I don't know about.

And finally, I personally decided that I'd rather believe in God, die, and nothing happen, than not believe God exist, die, and be proven wrong.

I guess that's the best way to desribe how I still hold on to these ideas.

So you have 2 reasons so far.
1) Good feels.
2) Fear of punishment.

Both reasons suck in my opinion.
The pascals wager is addressed here
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?t...%27s_Wager

As for good feels you get em out of someone you fear in the same time. That's some sadomasochistic shit you got there.
Besides sounds like hellish struggles is a heavy price for good feels.

Oh trust me, I go to a Christian College. I definitely know about the Pascal Wager, which may make sense to some but I honestly skimmed over that in my required reading. Not very interesting or practical stuff.

And you're right good feels is way you can put it. It's a bad reason for anyone else. Fear of punishment, right again. I admit to that. Normally I could care less about punishment, but this is my destiny I'm playing around with, and I'd rather not play cocky. Maybe you can understand where I'm coming from.

And to me, a hellish struggle seems like a fair price to pay in pursuit of truth of any kind.

(Again, this is just my personal beliefs. I tend to say that a lot, but I just don't want to be mistaken for a bible-belting Christian)

(March 20, 2014 at 10:47 pm)tor Wrote:

(March 20, 2014 at 10:45 pm)psychoslice Wrote: Na. I'll keep reading your crap, I am using this on another forum, where I am talking about arrogant atheist, so its good info, keep it up.

Give us the link

Sorry, I don't want the pollution on that forum.