(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Following on from a recent post in another thread I decided to drop a few very interesting bombshells.

These can all be verified with a little effort (I'm not doing all the work for you).

1. Darwin never once uses either the word ‘ape’ or ‘apes’ in his work ‘On The Origin of Species’, so he could never have said Humans were descendants of or shared a common ancestor with apes.
2. Richard Dawkins has never called himself an atheist, he actually considers himself to be agnostic.
3. Early on in Dawkins’ book, ‘The God Delusion’, he points out that no one can have total certainty that God does or does not exist.
4. Darwin had little faith in fossil records ever proving his theory of Evolution, he considered them too incomplete.
5. Sir Isaac Newton had an interest in the occult, he studied alchemy and believed he would discover The Philosopher’s Stone, a material capable of turning base metal into gold. He also believed that metals ‘possessed a sort of life’.

Enjoy,

MM

MR. Manmachine, can I direct ur attention to this document that you posted when you joined this lovely forum. .

Hello everyone,

Broadly speaking I'm an atheist.

I reject liberalism and humanism as modern artefacts of Judaeo/Christianity. 

My hobby is quantum physics.

I've been writing a book for the last ten years... I've nearly finished chapter one.

I prefer to reason for myself rather than regurgitate chunks of other people's works and stitch the fragments together with a vague political agenda.

I do not accept the notion of Free Will.

I do not accept the agenda behind environmentalism as valid.

I like art, especially works that challenge my preconceptions of the world around me.

I can be annoying, but I don't mean it.

I am very much looking forward to some interesting debates/discussions.

MM

Can u read the second sentence of your thread for the forum. .....
are you really an atheist? Or are you disguised as one??..
If you are pulling our chain, that would be a Bombshell....

^^ What? Are you one of those "with me or against me" types?

(May 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Can u read the second sentence of your thread for the forum. .....
are you really an atheist? Or are you disguised as one??..

I don't see anything he's posted that's inconsistent with being an atheist, or with reality.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm)truthBtold Wrote:

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Following on from a recent post in another thread I decided to drop a few very interesting bombshells.

These can all be verified with a little effort (I'm not doing all the work for you).

1. Darwin never once uses either the word ‘ape’ or ‘apes’ in his work ‘On The Origin of Species’, so he could never have said Humans were descendants of or shared a common ancestor with apes.
2. Richard Dawkins has never called himself an atheist, he actually considers himself to be agnostic.
3. Early on in Dawkins’ book, ‘The God Delusion’, he points out that no one can have total certainty that God does or does not exist.
4. Darwin had little faith in fossil records ever proving his theory of Evolution, he considered them too incomplete.
5. Sir Isaac Newton had an interest in the occult, he studied alchemy and believed he would discover The Philosopher’s Stone, a material capable of turning base metal into gold. He also believed that metals ‘possessed a sort of life’.

Enjoy,

MM

MR. Manmachine, can I direct ur attention to this document that you posted when you joined this lovely forum. .

Hello everyone,

Broadly speaking I'm an atheist.

I reject liberalism and humanism as modern artefacts of Judaeo/Christianity. 

My hobby is quantum physics.

I've been writing a book for the last ten years... I've nearly finished chapter one.

I prefer to reason for myself rather than regurgitate chunks of other people's works and stitch the fragments together with a vague political agenda.

I do not accept the notion of Free Will.

I do not accept the agenda behind environmentalism as valid.

I like art, especially works that challenge my preconceptions of the world around me.

I can be annoying, but I don't mean it.

I am very much looking forward to some interesting debates/discussions.

MM

Can u read the second sentence of your thread for the forum. .....
are you really an atheist? Or are you disguised as one??..
If you are pulling our chain, that would be a Bombshell....

I know, how disloyal of me. Perhaps it's just my deep seated need to shake things up every now and then.

Humour aside, I don't see these 'bombshells' as necessarily counter to an atheist viewpoint. A fact is a fact, it really depends on what one intends to do with the information.

I spoke briefly about the subtext to my OP in my reply to Minimalist (above). Have a read.

MM

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(May 1, 2014 at 5:55 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: ^^ What? Are you one of those "with me or against me" types?

I'm one of those 'I wonder what happens if I press this button' types.

MM

(May 1, 2014 at 6:05 pm)ManMachine Wrote:

(May 1, 2014 at 5:48 pm)truthBtold Wrote: MR. Manmachine, can I direct ur attention to this document that you posted when you joined this lovely forum. .

Hello everyone,

Broadly speaking I'm an atheist.

I reject liberalism and humanism as modern artefacts of Judaeo/Christianity. 

My hobby is quantum physics.

I've been writing a book for the last ten years... I've nearly finished chapter one.

I prefer to reason for myself rather than regurgitate chunks of other people's works and stitch the fragments together with a vague political agenda.

I do not accept the notion of Free Will.

I do not accept the agenda behind environmentalism as valid.

I like art, especially works that challenge my preconceptions of the world around me.

I can be annoying, but I don't mean it.

I am very much looking forward to some interesting debates/discussions.

MM

Can u read the second sentence of your thread for the forum. .....
are you really an atheist? Or are you disguised as one??..
If you are pulling our chain, that would be a Bombshell....

I know, how disloyal of me. Perhaps it's just my deep seated need to shake things up every now and then.

Humour aside, I don't see these 'bombshells' as necessarily counter to an atheist viewpoint. A fact is a fact, it really depends on what one intends to do with the information.

I spoke briefly about the subtext to my OP in my reply to Minimalist (above). Have a read.

MM

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(May 1, 2014 at 5:55 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: ^^ What? Are you one of those "with me or against me" types?

I'm one of those 'I wonder what happens if I press this button' types.

MM

I really like ur post.. I had to look back at ur threads to see what u were about.. I like.......I like....

(May 1, 2014 at 6:05 pm)ManMachine Wrote:

(May 1, 2014 at 5:55 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: ^^ What? Are you one of those "with me or against me" types?

I'm one of those 'I wonder what happens if I press this button' types.

MM

Haha! Me too!

Also, sorry, I was responding to TBT's implication that you aren't a "true atheist".

None of these are bombshells.

But you are incorrect on Dawkins, unless you want to play semantics games.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 1. Darwin never once uses either the word ‘ape’ or ‘apes’ in his work ‘On The Origin of Species’, so he could never have said Humans were descendants of or shared a common ancestor with apes.

This should be more surprising to creationists.

It is true, he does not mention human evolution in 'The Origin...". He does in "The Descent of Man", however.

Quote:2. Richard Dawkins has never called himself an atheist, he actually considers himself to be agnostic.

This is incorrect. He states that he is a '6' on his "Spectrum of Theistic Beliefs" scale.

6. "De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."

Quote:3. Early on in Dawkins’ book, ‘The God Delusion’, he points out that no one can have total certainty that God does or does not exist.

This is the position of the majority of atheists.

I do not claim to know with certainty that a god does not exist. But I do not believe one does. This makes me (and Dawkins) an agnostic-atheist.

Quote:4. Darwin had little faith in fossil records ever proving his theory of Evolution, he considered them too incomplete.

So...

Darwin also got a lot of other things wrong about evolution. We've come along way in the last 160 + years since Darwin. But everything that has been discovered since Darwin has completely confirmed his central thesis, random mutation and natural selection drives changes.

Hell, he didn't even know about DNA.

Quote:5. Sir Isaac Newton had an interest in the occult, he studied alchemy and believed he would discover The Philosopher’s Stone, a material capable of turning base metal into gold. He also believed that metals ‘possessed a sort of life’.

Very true. Other than his monumental works in math, his other beliefs were batshit crazy.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:38 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Xtians don't seem to know that Darwin believed in a creator.

I knew that! It was the basis for one of my many goofy theistic rationalizations, where I figured I could undermine those smug evolutionists by pointing out that even the father of evolution believed in god!

It's like G.I. Joe used to say in those cartoons: knowing is half the battle. Not being a flaming ignoramus is the other half.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Following on from a recent post in another thread I decided to drop a few very interesting bombshells.

None of which were bombshells, but continue...

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: These can all be verified with a little effort (I'm not doing all the work for you).

Clearly not since I'm going to correct you.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 1. Darwin never once uses either the word ‘ape’ or ‘apes’ in his work ‘On The Origin of Species’, so he could never have said Humans were descendants of or shared a common ancestor with apes.

We're all cousins, not just with apes, so not only does he not have to specify anything about apes, but common descent covers all lifeforms. I'm pretty he did go through apes in The Descent of man and he certainly did in other work. He did come to the conclusion that we came from a common ancestor, despite not having all the evidence we have today. It was still brilliant enough evidence to publish a book that stood as the cornerstone of modern biology until we learned more in the next century.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 2. Richard Dawkins has never called himself an atheist, he actually considers himself to be agnostic.

Such bullshit, he has said he is both, you can be both. I could pull up videos but I'll just link you to his site.

http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation...ut-atheism

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 3. Early on in Dawkins’ book, ‘The God Delusion’, he points out that no one can have total certainty that God does or does not exist.

How the is that a bombshell? you don't have to be certain to be an atheist.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 4. Darwin had little faith in fossil records ever proving his theory of Evolution, he considered them too incomplete.

No kidding, because there wasn't as much information in the fossil record yet, hell he didn't even know about genetics yet. But the logical inference was STILL common descent.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: 5. Sir Isaac Newton had an interest in the occult, he studied alchemy and believed he would discover The Philosopher’s Stone, a material capable of turning base metal into gold. He also believed that metals ‘possessed a sort of life’.

Did you just watch Cosmos or something? I'm willing to bet most of us already knew Newton had crackpot theories and religious woo.

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Enjoy,

MM

Did not enjoy,

QT. (because writing your name at the end is so unique and original)

(May 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Following on from a recent post in another thread I decided to drop a few very interesting bombshells.

These can all be verified with a little effort (I'm not doing all the work for you).

1. Darwin never once uses either the word ‘ape’ or ‘apes’ in his work ‘On The Origin of Species’, so he could never have said Humans were descendants of or shared a common ancestor with apes.
2. Richard Dawkins has never called himself an atheist, he actually considers himself to be agnostic.
3. Early on in Dawkins’ book, ‘The God Delusion’, he points out that no one can have total certainty that God does or does not exist.
4. Darwin had little faith in fossil records ever proving his theory of Evolution, he considered them too incomplete.
5. Sir Isaac Newton had an interest in the occult, he studied alchemy and believed he would discover The Philosopher’s Stone, a material capable of turning base metal into gold. He also believed that metals ‘possessed a sort of life’.

Enjoy,

MM

The problem with the word "God" to refer to a supreme being is that it's generally understood to mean the character in the Bible. Since that's the case I will say definitely that such a being doesn't exist. The titles "God", "Lord". and "Lord of Hosts" referred to the Assyrian/Babylonian/Persian Emperors who ruled the Middle East for centuries.

The other names used to refer to the Jewish deity such as "Jehovah", or "YWHW" or "YAHWEH" is a different character than the "God" one.

All gods or deities are imaginary. Not one of any kind has ever done anything godly in scope since the first superstitious con man concocted it to give him power and control over his more dumb tribe members.