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If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
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 (May 1, 2014 at 10:58 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:(May 1, 2014 at 12:36 am)Godschild Wrote: Why should anyone want to buy it, what purpose does it have for our lives, what eternal benefits does it have for me or anyone. Actually I already have a bridge, it was free, it cost me nothing and it leads to an eternity of grace and joy, to so much that is good and right no one can even imagine. So keep your bridge, actually you should join m on this free bridge to new life. Salvation is a gift through grace from God, now I do not pay for gifts given to me and grace is unmerited love meaning there is noway to earn salvation, seems to be quite free to me. As far as whither I'm wallowing in a lie, death will reveal the truth to all. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Heaven is like a hotel? I can check in if I wish? lol
 (April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: Now that I'm an atheist, I can't help but wonder if the Bible in so many words, infers that heaven is space?That seems to be the original meaning of the term in the old testament, where there does not seem to be any talk of an afterlife, aside from those (like Enoch) who get taken to heaven. The heavens, to those early writers, was either the dome that stretched over the Earth, or incorporated it as part of an unseen structure "behind" the sky. Earth was described as god's "footstool" which could indicate a relative position (it was "beneath" the heavens). The new testament (Revelation, mostly) fleshes out the idea of heaven as a location that can be described in human terms, with a throne and homes and land and rivers and such. I don't think I ever considered it to be that way literally, but as a JW (who with few exceptions look forward to a future on Earth, not in heaven) it didn't matter much to me. The notion was that being in god's presence was so overwhelmingly pleasant that it didn't really matter whether it was clouds with a golden gate or a city built from jewels or anything else.
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-Stephen Jay Gould (May 2, 2014 at 8:45 am)Deidre32 Wrote: Heaven is like a hotel? I can check in if I wish? lol Not really, God has to invite you and you must register through Jesus Christ, like it or not it's the only way. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
So God chooses who to invite? What about those poor souls that don't get invited? And what about those of us he failed to keep? Doesn't seem very right now does it?
 (May 2, 2014 at 1:27 am)Godschild Wrote:(May 1, 2014 at 10:58 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Christianity costs a person a lot. To get nothing. That's the greatest fallacy of all. That Christians believe they are "gaining" eternal life for "free" (because Christ paid the price) but the opposite is true. You are losing touch with solid reality so you can waste your time wallowing in a lie. Well, that's not a very productive in a discussion, if we all have to wait until you're dead. RE: If you are religious, where do u believe heaven "is?"
May 2, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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(May 2, 2014 at 2:14 pm)Godschild Wrote:(May 2, 2014 at 8:45 am)Deidre32 Wrote: Heaven is like a hotel? I can check in if I wish? lol I was once Christian, and this is not true. I was once taught that God, in his mercy, can 'accept' anyone. If heaven exists, not only Christians will be there. (May 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm)DarkHorse Wrote: So God chooses who to invite? What about those poor souls that don't get invited? And what about those of us he failed to keep? Doesn't seem very right now does it? I'm suddenly reminded of this song, with all of this conversation.   (April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: When I was a Christian, I believed it was an actual "destination" or place where eternal souls were "kept" who were worthy of it. All those questions imply the idea that we have a soul and theres an afterlife. How can you expect us to locate a place that we don't accept is exists in the first place? (April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: But rather, when you think of heaven, what do you believe your holy book is describing? (Space? Universe?) My Holy book or as some of us call it Google Maps says that Heaven is located in: 10236 Charing Cross Road, Los Angeles, California. And if you want a description it says here that The Playboy Mansion has a gothic revival architecture. (May 3, 2014 at 4:12 am)Zidneya Wrote: All those questions imply the idea that we have a soul and theres an afterlife.No, they don't. Quote:How can you expect us to locate a place that we don't accept is exists in the first place? read the thread title. the thread is addressed to religious people. if non religious people wish to post, they're welcome, of course. but, the thread was aimed at religious people giving their opinion as to ''where'' they believe heaven is located. (April 26, 2014 at 11:37 am)Deidre32 Wrote: But rather, when you think of heaven, what do you believe your holy book is describing? (Space? Universe?) Quote:My Holy book or as some of us call it Google Maps says that Heaven is located in: 10236 Charing Cross Road, Los Angeles, California. And if you want a description it says here that The Playboy Mansion has a gothic revival architecture.lol |
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