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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 11, 2014 at 8:21 pm
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(April 25, 2014 at 7:59 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (April 25, 2014 at 7:53 pm)KUSA Wrote: Considering that criminals carry their guns everywhere anyway what does this bill actually hurt?
I think if you have to ask that question, you don't fundamentally grasp the problem at hand.
Imagine you're at a restaurant, and suddenly, the place is being robbed at gunpoint. Sitting at the table next to you is the local yokel that fancies himself Dirty Harry, and he whips out his gun and starts firing. Now you've got a gunfight with innocent people caught in the crossfire.
Sure, the restaurant needs to take precautions against gun crime, but the absolute last thing we should be thinking is that adding more guns to the situation is somehow a working solution. No body is gonna rob the restaurant knowing that many patrons and probably the owner are armed. Robbers go for the weakest targets first and usually avoid targets that can protect themselves.
(April 27, 2014 at 9:40 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 8:59 am)KUSA Wrote: Are there certain areas that we don't have to be vigilant in?
Yes, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Scandinavia etc,etc.....
And of course, if the US had decent gun laws, nut jobs wouldn't fucking have guns in the first place.
Never heard of Halifax or Toronto huh?
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 11, 2014 at 9:16 pm
(May 11, 2014 at 7:58 pm)KUSA Wrote: (May 11, 2014 at 7:45 pm)psychoslice Wrote: the fact is most are not
Dude WTF? If that were true you'd be seeing people dropping around you everyday.
The fact is a FEW people screw things up for the everyone else?
You believe what you want, I just don't happen to agree with you.
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 11:19 am
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(May 11, 2014 at 9:16 pm)psychoslice Wrote: (May 11, 2014 at 7:58 pm)KUSA Wrote: Dude WTF? If that were true you'd be seeing people dropping around you everyday.
The fact is a FEW people screw things up for the everyone else?
You believe what you want, I just don't happen to agree with you.
Except we have facts and evidence. You have unsubstantiated opinion.
The best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns. So if 'most' gun owners are irresponsible, we should see tens of millions of deaths and injuries from firearms.
We see no such thing.
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 12:58 pm
(May 12, 2014 at 11:19 am)Chas Wrote: (May 11, 2014 at 9:16 pm)psychoslice Wrote: You believe what you want, I just don't happen to agree with you.
Except we have facts and evidence. You have unsubstantiated opinion.
The best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns. So if 'most' gun owners are irresponsible, we should see tens of millions of deaths and injuries from firearms.
We see no such thing.
I bet you see far fewer gun injuries per head of population in the UK where private gun ownership is very rare.
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 1:32 pm
(May 12, 2014 at 12:58 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: (May 12, 2014 at 11:19 am)Chas Wrote: Except we have facts and evidence. You have unsubstantiated opinion.
The best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns. So if 'most' gun owners are irresponsible, we should see tens of millions of deaths and injuries from firearms.
We see no such thing.
I bet you see far fewer gun injuries per head of population in the UK where private gun ownership is very rare.
Not the point. The response is to psychotwat's assertion:
"If everyone was responsible with a gun that would be fine but the fact is most are not"
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 2:12 pm
(May 12, 2014 at 1:32 pm)Chas Wrote: Not the point. The response is to psychotwat's assertion:
"If everyone was responsible with a gun that would be fine but the fact is most are not"
Maybe you have different of "responsible" gun wonership.
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where machine guns that could take out 20 children in a matter of seconds are legal, and a plant that grows out of the ground isn't. (and no im not some pothead junkie, ive never done drugs in my life.)
(April 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: (April 25, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Faith No More Wrote: My favorite is that guns are now allowed in bars.
I mean, really? How much of a gun fanatic do you have to be to think this is a good idea?
Guns may be allowed in Georgia bars now, but consuming alcohol while in possession of a firearm is still strictly prohibited under the law. This goes for Tennessee which has allowed guns in bars for a while now as well as Georgia.
I'm not aware of any increase in the number of shootings in bars by people with carry permits in Tennessee since a similar law was passed there. If someone has statistics to the contrary I'd be interested in seeing them.
But does prohibiting people from using firearms while under the influence of alcohol really do anything? I mean, come on. YOU'RE DRUNK, you probably don't even remember what the law is, or your own name for that matter.
I don't think that "prohibiting people from using firearms while under the influence" is a nice way to back up gun rights in bars.
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Re: RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 2:46 pm
(May 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm)abtaylor Wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where machine guns that could take out 20 children in a matter of seconds are legal,
Who said anything about machine guns?
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 2:55 pm
(May 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm)abtaylor Wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where machine guns that could take out 20 children in a matter of seconds are legal, and a plant that grows out of the ground isn't. (and no im not some pothead junkie, ive never done drugs in my life.)
There are hundreds of thousands of legally owned machine guns in the hands of individual US citizens. Despite this there has not been a homicide conviction in US courts of a US civilian for killing someone with one of those legally owned machine guns since 1934 when the National Firearms Act was passed.
Quote: (April 25, 2014 at 8:21 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: Guns may be allowed in Georgia bars now, but consuming alcohol while in possession of a firearm is still strictly prohibited under the law. This goes for Tennessee which has allowed guns in bars for a while now as well as Georgia.
I'm not aware of any increase in the number of shootings in bars by people with carry permits in Tennessee since a similar law was passed there. If someone has statistics to the contrary I'd be interested in seeing them.
But does prohibiting people from using firearms while under the influence of alcohol really do anything? I mean, come on. YOU'RE DRUNK, you probably don't even remember what the law is, or your own name for that matter.
I don't think that "prohibiting people from using firearms while under the influence" is a nice way to back up gun rights in bars.
I'm not sure if you missed or ignored the point of this post, but to the best of my knowledge similar laws in other states have not resulted in an increase of shootings in places that serve alcohol. If you have any statistics that say they have then please trot them out for us to see.
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RE: OMG Guns Everywhere
May 12, 2014 at 3:17 pm
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(May 12, 2014 at 2:55 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: (May 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm)abtaylor Wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where machine guns that could take out 20 children in a matter of seconds are legal, and a plant that grows out of the ground isn't. (and no im not some pothead junkie, ive never done drugs in my life.)
There are hundreds of thousands of legally owned machine guns in the hands of individual US citizens. Despite this there has not been a homicide conviction in US courts of a US civilian for killing someone with one of those legally owned machine guns since 1934 when the National Firearms Act was passed.
Quote:But does prohibiting people from using firearms while under the influence of alcohol really do anything? I mean, come on. YOU'RE DRUNK, you probably don't even remember what the law is, or your own name for that matter.
I don't think that "prohibiting people from using firearms while under the influence" is a nice way to back up gun rights in bars.
I'm not sure if you missed or ignored the point of this post, but to the best of my knowledge similar laws in other states have not resulted in an increase of shootings in places that serve alcohol. If you have any statistics that say they have then please trot them out for us to see.
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(May 12, 2014 at 2:46 pm)KUSA Wrote: (May 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm)abtaylor Wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world where machine guns that could take out 20 children in a matter of seconds are legal,
Who said anything about machine guns?
Pistols, Machine Guns, all the kinds, theyre all legal
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