Quote: Theistic morality

(May 21, 2014 at 2:18 pm)alpha male Wrote: They have the intellectual freedom - that's the issue ya know - to accept evidence that you reject.

Except it is neither intellectual nor evidential to accept that which has no proof to support its existence.

Theists are merely exercising their freedom to be ignorant.

(May 21, 2014 at 2:40 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Except it is neither intellectual nor evidential to accept that which has no proof to support its existence.

Theists are merely exercising their freedom to be ignorant.

If you look at it that way, then as Exlax noted, atheists also exercise their freedom to be ignorant. Looks like equal intellectual freedom.

(May 21, 2014 at 2:57 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you look at it that way, then as Exlax noted, atheists also exercise their freedom to be ignorant.

Negative, but thank you for attempting to play with the big boys.

(May 20, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: Nothing ever done in service of God can ever be called sin.

Says who, then there's this, when God commands an action it's not sinful God can not cause someone to sin. When someone does something and God did not command it, if it's sinful then it's sinful.

Kit Wrote:Basically, any theist can commit a heinous act and make the claim that it was done in service of god in order to absolve himself of guilt. The theist, in essence, deludes himself into a state of morality.

Agreed this is possible and has been done to many times and hurts the Christian belief, they do not realize all the damage they do. It seems you apply this to all Christians, I hope not, most are not capable of a heinous act.

Kit Wrote:Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral? Or does the theist simply use god as a means to an end, knowing full well that his morality is driven more by personal inner turmoil than any real divinity or understanding of right from wrong?

Yes, as long as those who condemn the act believe in a objective moral code. What is morality if it's subjective, nothing more than opinion. Can an atheist be so far gone they do heinous acts and claim they are moral?

Kit Wrote:How can a theist cause such obvious suffering to someone else and not realize it for what it is? Misrepresenting it as love or compassion is not reasonable.

And an atheist is not capable of the same action, is this part of an implication. I agree that misrepresenting harm as love or compassion is irresponsible and unreasonable, for all who do it.

Kit Wrote:If the theist regularly absolves himself of guilt, without comprehending that his actions are not moral just because he has attached the term god to it, then he is no better than a veritable sociopath. He lacks empathy, because he cannot sympathize with how the other person is suffering due to his immoral behavior and his immoral actions.

If anyone uses any excuse to absolve their action of wrong, their no better than a sociopath, isn't this what you actually mean, seems to me it should be.
Again with a subjective moral code how is it possible to say who is immoral.

Kit Wrote:If theists were at all capable of feeling real sympathy, not the fake feelings they profess, then there would be less suffering in the world.

How is it you can determine who is and who isn't capable of having real feelings, are you claiming to be the real judge of humanity. If you had a true idea of suffering you would not have made such a statement.

Gc

(May 21, 2014 at 8:31 am)alpha male Wrote: Sure. Same with atheists. Lots of people here talk about suffering, yet also talk about booze and drugs. If they really cared about the suffering, they'd take the time and money devoted to getting high and give it to those who are suffering.

You see though, that's the lovely thing about being atheist. There's no invisible monster's arbitrary rules to follow. There is no rule stating that atheists have to be good people or help anybody else. There is no rule stating that we have to suppress our own desires or sate our pleasures. There is no great reward for doing anything that isn't selfish. When atheists do good things, we do it because we want to, or because our conscience guides us to.

Meanwhile, how many of you have sold all your possessions, as compared to the number of you who can quickly whip up excuses for not doing so, or creative ways to interpret the Bible so that this direction doesn't actually apply to you or any other Christian you know?

If you really cared about suffering, you would at least make a token effort do what your savior told you to do. Obviously, there aren't that many of you who care about anybody but yourselves. You better hope your god appreciates your attempts to justify your inaction, because the whole lot of you are in serious trouble if he doesn't.

(May 21, 2014 at 3:13 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: You see though, that's the lovely thing about being atheist. There's no invisible monster's arbitrary rules to follow. There is no rule stating that atheists have to be good people or help anybody else. There is no rule stating that we have to suppress our own desires or sate our pleasures. There is no great reward for doing anything that isn't selfish. When atheists do good things, we do it because we want to, or because our conscience guides us to.

Ah, the lovely thing about being an atheist is that you can be a dick and not feel guilty about it. Glad someone's finally being honest. It's annoying how some of you pretend to give a shit about the Amelekites.

(May 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 21, 2014 at 3:13 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: You see though, that's the lovely thing about being atheist. There's no invisible monster's arbitrary rules to follow. There is no rule stating that atheists have to be good people or help anybody else. There is no rule stating that we have to suppress our own desires or sate our pleasures. There is no great reward for doing anything that isn't selfish. When atheists do good things, we do it because we want to, or because our conscience guides us to.

Ah, the lovely thing about being an atheist is that you can be a dick and not feel guilty about it. Glad someone's finally being honest. It's annoying how some of you pretend to give a shit about the Amelekites.

Shut the fuck up, you hypocrite.

(May 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm)alpha male Wrote: Ah, the lovely thing about being an atheist is that you can be a dick and not feel guilty about it. Glad someone's finally being honest. It's annoying how some of you pretend to give a shit about the Amelekites.

Yeah, it is the lovely thing about being an atheist, but it apparently doesn't matter. Christians have a tendency to be far worse people than we are, and a tendency to feel far less guilt about it.

It's annoying how you sit there and accuse us of not living up to a moral standard which only applies to individuals and then refuse to explain why you refuse to live up to your own, which applies to all Christians.

It's also annoying how some of you pretend to care about the sanctity of life, when you praise the wanton destruction of human life directed by your god; almost as annoying as how you insist that morality is objective, and then insist that it isn't because God doesn't have to follow the rules.

(May 21, 2014 at 3:25 pm)alpha male Wrote: Ah, the lovely thing about being an atheist is that you can be a dick and not feel guilty about it.

I think it's more accurate to say that the atheist doesn't have to feel guilty about it. Or at least he doesn't have to pretend to. No one's going to throat-jab us for an eternity if we happen to be dickish from time to time and can't bring ourselves to feel sufficiently bad about it.