(May 29, 2014 at 6:50 am)Stimbo Wrote: National programs tailored on the principle of everyone helping each other is personal responsibility, you moron.

The principle of everyone helping each other is good and biblical. In the earliest christian societies people gave what they had to be divided among the members as needed. Those who had little would support the group by their work and whatever contributions they had to give. Paul basically had to tell certain persons who were being idle to get up and earn the food they ate. This is the situation government programs always seem to create in that they take heavily from those who are responsible and give to those who are not, although I'm not saying that there are some who are legitimately in need at the time. There is no requirement to contribute to the system in order to benefit from it. As with Obamacare, some people are working less because they can do better by paying less for medical insurance or get it for free. Others who are working hard have lost the insurance they liked and are forced to pay more for inferior coverage. Then, as with medicare and social security, the system goes broke or continues to take more and more from people with personal responsibility, so society as a whole suffers.

(May 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 29, 2014 at 6:50 am)Stimbo Wrote: National programs tailored on the principle of everyone helping each other is personal responsibility, you moron.

The principle of everyone helping each other is good and biblical.

It also predates Christianity. The principles of rape, slavery, ordained murder, and infanticide are also biblical.

(May 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Lek Wrote: In the earliest christian societies people gave what they had to be divided among the members as needed. Those who had little would support the group by their work and whatever contributions they had to give.

Yeah, we see that in a lot of early societies. You don't get to stake a claim to it. And the Native Americans were doing that when Christians came in and slaughtered them.

(May 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Lek Wrote: Paul basically had to tell certain persons who were being idle to get up and earn the food they ate. This is the situation government programs always seem to create in that they take heavily from those who are responsible and give to those who are not, although I'm not saying that there are some who are legitimately in need at the time. There is no requirement to contribute to the system in order to benefit from it. As with Obamacare, some people are working less because they can do better by paying less for medical insurance or get it for free. Others who are working hard have lost the insurance they liked and are forced to pay more for inferior coverage. Then, as with medicare and social security, the system goes broke or continues to take more and more from people with personal responsibility, so society as a whole suffers.

So basically, what you're saying is fuck what Jesus taught,

(May 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Lek Wrote: Others who are working hard have lost the insurance they liked and are forced to pay more for inferior coverage.

LIAR! The insurances that have been revoked are those that do not meet a range of MINIMUMS! "Good" insurances have not been touched. Several cheap policies have been revoked because they do not meet the minimum coverages.
You cannot come up with examples of "good" insurances that met the federal minimums that have been revoked because of Obamacare, because it doesn't work that way.

If you weren't dishonest, you wouldn't have posted that because it is too easy to find out the truth.

He's not interested in truth. He's trying to sell an agenda. Truth only gets in the way.

(May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: It also predates Christianity. The principles of rape, slavery, ordained murder, and infanticide are also biblical.

Christians are not allowed to do any of these things.

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(May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: So basically, what you're saying is fuck what Jesus taught,

No. He taught us to help the needy, not create programs like the ones I described, to forcibly take money from some people and give it to others. He called that stealing.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: It also predates Christianity. The principles of rape, slavery, ordained murder, and infanticide are also biblical.

Christians are not allowed to do any of these things.

Only because of secular laws. These things are Godly and repeatedly demanded by God in the bible. The same for child molestation: Christians are only prevented from doing this by secular law, as it's never verboten in the bible.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:25 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: So basically, what you're saying is fuck what Jesus taught,

No. He taught us to help the needy, not create programs like the ones I described, to forcibly take money from some people and give it to others. He called that stealing.

I see, so legislating the same kind of social conscience Jesus later taught, such as helping the needy is not OK, because you're greedy: you got yours, so fuck everyone else. Thanks for the clarification.

(May 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 29, 2014 at 6:50 am)Stimbo Wrote: National programs tailored on the principle of everyone helping each other is personal responsibility, you moron.

The principle of everyone helping each other is good and biblical.

Even so, it's not exclusively a Christian thing to do. Society thrives best with everyone helping each other. You don't need a book to know that.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Lek Wrote: Others who are working hard have lost the insurance they liked and are forced to pay more for inferior coverage.

LIAR! The insurances that have been revoked are those that do not meet a range of MINIMUMS! "Good" insurances have not been touched. Several cheap policies have been revoked because they do not meet the minimum coverages.
You cannot come up with examples of "good" insurances that met the federal minimums that have been revoked because of Obamacare, because it doesn't work that way.

If you weren't dishonest, you wouldn't have posted that because it is too easy to find out the truth.

If I am a single man and I want to purchase insurance, I have to purchase a plan that covers ob/gyn. What if I want to purchase limited insurance that fits my needs and which I can get at a lower price? The minimums that the government sets are there so that all will have to share the cost of insuring other people. Even Obama came out and apologized and admitted that he lied when he said everyone could keep their same doctors. Not only are millions of people now paying more for insurance, but their new plans will not allow them to keep their doctors. Many people who who don't get insurance through their employers were buying limited coverage insurance because they couldn't afford more coverage, but it worked for them and their families. Now they have to spend more under Obamacare. No dishonesty here.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Lek Wrote:

(May 31, 2014 at 4:14 pm)Brakeman Wrote: LIAR! The insurances that have been revoked are those that do not meet a range of MINIMUMS! "Good" insurances have not been touched. Several cheap policies have been revoked because they do not meet the minimum coverages.
You cannot come up with examples of "good" insurances that met the federal minimums that have been revoked because of Obamacare, because it doesn't work that way.

If you weren't dishonest, you wouldn't have posted that because it is too easy to find out the truth.

If I am a single man and I want to purchase insurance, I have to purchase a plan that covers ob/gyn. What if I want to purchase limited insurance that fits my needs and which I can get at a lower price? The minimums that the government sets are there so that all will have to share the cost of insuring other people. .. Many people who who don't get insurance through their employers were buying limited coverage insurance because they couldn't afford more coverage, but it worked for them and their families. Now they have to spend more under Obamacare. No dishonesty here.

Bullshit! Find a comprehensive plan that covered everything but ob/gyn that someone lost!
I bet you can't. Yep just like I said, the only plans that dropped were the inferiour/ limited or unfair plans not the "GOOD" plans that you claimed earlier.

You said, and I quote, "Others who are working hard have lost the insurance they liked and are forced to pay more for inferior coverage."

A comprehensive plan that meets federal minimums is not "inferior" by any standards, they are superior. You were dishonest, you lied.

(May 31, 2014 at 4:55 pm)Brakeman Wrote: A comprehensive plan that meets federal minimums is not "inferior" by any standards, they are superior. You were dishonest, you lied.

I can get a plan that covers my needs well and I'm seeing a doctor that I like. I am then forced to drop that plan and purchase a plan that covers ob/gyn and other things that I don't need or want. It costs me more and I can't see the doctor that I like anymore. Which plan is superior to me? So I need the government to tell me what I need in a health insurance plan? I don't want the same people who have run social security and medicare broke to decide what insurance I need. I hope they don't run Obamacare like they've run the VA hospitals. By the way, ob/gyn is one of the areas that must be covered by a plan under Obamacare.