(June 9, 2014 at 12:54 pm)alpha male Wrote: One more time for clarity won't hurt, and would have been quicker than the response you did give. You seem to be dodging.

I just get tired of repeating myself and wish you would simply re-read my posts.

21 weeks is my most conservative estimate. I argue this with anti-abortionists as the very earliest possible point when self-awareness might hypothetically happen. 3rd Trimester, circa 24 weeks, seems a reasonable place to draw the line.

(June 9, 2014 at 1:24 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I just get tired of repeating myself and wish you would simply re-read my posts.

You don't seem to get tired of repeating yourself at all.

Quote:21 weeks is my most conservative estimate. I argue this with anti-abortionists as the very earliest possible point when self-awareness might hypothetically happen. 3rd Trimester, circa 24 weeks, seems a reasonable place to draw the line.

Most sources I'm seeing say third trimester begins at 26 - 28 weeks.

So, you're allowing a 3-7 week period of killing what you consider to be a person with a right to existence.

(June 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm)alpha male Wrote: Most sources I'm seeing say third trimester begins at 26 - 28 weeks.

So, you're allowing a 3-7 week period of killing what you consider to be a person with a right to existence.

Sufficient brain development for self-awareness is a gray area, no pun intended.

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(June 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm)alpha male Wrote: You don't seem to get tired of repeating yourself at all.

Thanks for acknowledging that I have to when I discuss things with you.

(June 9, 2014 at 1:39 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Sufficient brain development for self-awareness is a gray area, no pun intended.

And you'd allow the killing of what you consider to be a person with a right to life during this gray area.

It's inconsistent to say you accept 21 weeks to be conservative, when really you mean 24 - 28 weeks.

Quote:Thanks for acknowledging that I have to when I discuss things with you.

That you repeat yourself doesn't necessarily indicate that you need to repeat yourself.

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Here's an article by someone who agrees with you that brain activity should define life - but says that sufficient brain activity occurs at 8 weeks.
http://jme.bmj.com/content/11/4/198.full.pdf

Hey DP did your name color change?

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Oh nevermind. I see you have retired. Will there be a retirement party?

(June 9, 2014 at 2:04 pm)Losty Wrote: Hey DP did your name color change?

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Oh nevermind. I see you have retired. Will there be a retirement party?

Well, sort of. Everyone wished me well but I stepped down for not having enough time to devote to managing this forum.

That's understandable. As long as you stick around as a retired mod I will be happy

(June 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm)alpha male Wrote: Here's an article by someone who agrees with you that brain activity should define life - but says that sufficient brain activity occurs at 8 weeks.
http://jme.bmj.com/content/11/4/198.full.pdf

How much support does he have in the medical community? Reading his article and comparing it to textbooks on fetal development suggest he's pretty fringy. At 5-8 weeks, it's not even a fetus.

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(June 9, 2014 at 2:48 pm)Losty Wrote: That's understandable. As long as you stick around as a retired mod I will be happy

Thanks. Good to have you around as well.

(June 9, 2014 at 2:57 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: How much support does he have in the medical community? Reading his article and comparing it to textbooks on fetal development suggest he's pretty fringy. At 5-8 weeks, it's not even a fetus.

How much support does one need? As you argue that your position isn't opinion, I wouldn't expect any dissent.

You skipped this part:

Quote:And you'd allow the killing of what you consider to be a person with a right to life during this gray area.

It's inconsistent to say you accept 21 weeks to be conservative, when really you mean 24 - 28 weeks.

Pages and pages of running around the same circle. I'm eXhausted just watching and you're not even winded lol.

I still don't understand why we are debating late term abortion. If you're against abortion be against it and argue against abortion altogether. Debating late term abortion is so pointless.