(June 21, 2014 at 7:37 pm)Broseph Ballin Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 7:28 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: He's saying that people who abort gay babies shouldn't be allowed to be parents.

He's telling other people what to do.

Arthur isn't.

Arthur gets the grief.

Are you guys blind?

All he's doing is stating his opinion. He believes that someone who would do that shouldn't be a dad. He's not arguing or debating it, it's just a simple statement of opinion. If you want to debate him about it, go ahead, but don't deny his right to have an opinion.

That, and if he started a thread about aborting gay babies, he'd probably get all kinds of grief. It's not his thread, it's Arthur's, so Arthur gets the grief.

(June 21, 2014 at 7:09 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 7:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Here Godslayer is saying he thinks abortion on the basis of discrimination against gays is morally wrong and that those people shouldn't be parents.

Yet no one has picked up on this.

Makes me wonder about the motive of posters in this thread.

If the posts of an individual make you question the group, that says more about you than the group.

What?!

The problem with the group is that they're mobbing Arthur for saying he THINKS that abortion is immoral. He's never said that he would impose that belief on anyone.

...Then saying nothing, or supporting Godslayer who thinks aborting gay babies is immoral and states that people who act against his moral stance SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED to have babies.

The group seems to be confused don't you think?

(June 21, 2014 at 7:41 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 7:09 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: If the posts of an individual make you question the group, that says more about you than the group.

What?!

The problem with the group is that they're mobbing Arthur for saying he THINKS that abortion is immoral. He's never said that he would impose that belief on anyone.

He proposed that it ought to be illegal. That's why I'm opposing him.

(June 21, 2014 at 6:20 am)Godslayer Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 3:38 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I think that it's morally wrong to discriminate against gay people and handicapped people. The law supports those.

I can choose to abort a baby on the grounds that it will be disabled or gay. Neither is immoral or illegal.

The gay abortion is immoral. But if someone would make that choice then they shouldn't be a dad anyway.

I cannot find the word allowed frodo. Can you point it out?

(June 21, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: He proposed that it ought to be illegal. That's why I'm opposing him.

Can you link to where?

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(June 21, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Losty Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 6:20 am)Godslayer Wrote: The gay abortion is immoral. But if someone would make that choice then they shouldn't be a dad anyway.

I cannot find the word allowed frodo. Can you point it out?

Let's pretend it's you who's decided to have the abortion because you've determined that the baby will be gay.

You shouldn't be a mother.

Am I telling you what you should do, and telling you that no one like you should ever have babies? Yes I am.

(June 21, 2014 at 8:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 7:54 pm)Losty Wrote: I cannot find the word allowed frodo. Can you point it out?

Let's pretend it's you who's decided to have the abortion because you've determined that the baby will be gay.

You shouldn't be a mother.

Am I telling you what you should do, and telling you that no one like you should ever have babies? Yes I am.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what he said. You can't play word games with me, I have a 5 year old daughter.

(June 21, 2014 at 8:18 pm)Losty Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 8:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Let's pretend it's you who's decided to have the abortion because you've determined that the baby will be gay.

You shouldn't be a mother.

Am I telling you what you should do, and telling you that no one like you should ever have babies? Yes I am.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what he said. You can't play word games with me, I have a 5 year old daughter.

Don't worry Losty, he's done this shit since I started talking to him and probably long before I joined this site as well.

I was basically saying the same thing. If you only want a baby for how it reflects on your beliefs then you might not be ready to be a mother. I used the word inhuman which was too strong. I don't think it's that much of a problem yet at all. But I'd like to discuss the implications for the future which I think would impact on both men and women.
Turns out I'm not allowed to have an opinion, as a man, that conflicts with any single aspect of pro-choice, even though I am strongly pro-choice myself.

I can't see how Frodo deliberately lied about Godslayer's statement. I read it the same way.
What did you mean then, Godslayer?

(June 21, 2014 at 8:18 pm)Losty Wrote:

(June 21, 2014 at 8:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Let's pretend it's you who's decided to have the abortion because you've determined that the baby will be gay.

You shouldn't be a mother.

Am I telling you what you should do, and telling you that no one like you should ever have babies? Yes I am.

You are intentionally misrepresenting what he said. You can't play word games with me, I have a 5 year old daughter.

You're in for a tough ride (my daughter is 12 now and has her mum wrapped around her little finger)

How am I misrepresenting what he said? Can you point out the errors in my comparison?

Btw nothing against you at all Godslayer. I'm merely interested in the disparity.

frodo, babe, I'm sure I'm not the only one to call you out on your straw man bullshit.