(June 29, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you paid attention and actually learned something instead of believing BS propaganda you would know that the Vulgate is BS. And how should you know that if you could actually think for yourself? Because it uses the letter "J" in its stories. Why is that important? It's important because the letter "J" wasn't used as a letter in words until the Middle Ages. It was always used with certain Roman numbers. So it couldn't have been used as a letter in words in the 4th Century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J

http://vulgate.org/nt/gospel/matthew_1.htm

This is a like arguing The Idiot is a novel written by the English because they translated it.

There are real problems with the exact wording of the Bible because it was copied by hand until the printing press was invented. But this is not unusual for ancient lit. We have the same issues with Homer, Plato, Herodotus, Cicero, and many others.

So, has anyone accepted Rev's generous "offer" (aka standard Christian threat) yet?

Does this type of prosletyzing ever actually work on anyone but those who already believe it?

Does anyone know an atheist who has actually said, "Oh fuck, I don't want to go to hell. I must become a Christian now?" ANd I actually mean "know" not "I was an atheist until I read the bible/heard the threat/had some persistant fuckwit annoy me until I became a Christian" claim

(June 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, has anyone accepted Rev's generous "offer" (aka standard Christian threat) yet?

Does this type of prosletyzing ever actually work on anyone but those who already believe it?

Does anyone know an atheist who has actually said, "Oh fuck, I don't want to go to hell. I must become a Christian now?" ANd I actually mean "know" not "I was an atheist until I read the bible/heard the threat/had some persistant fuckwit annoy me until I became a Christian" claim

Small children. Maybe.

(June 29, 2014 at 7:08 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: No no no.... Jesus was a vegan Pastafarian. Oh, and he shot the Kennedys.

Matthew 10:34 has Jesus saying he came to bring a sword. If he shot the Kennedys it means his sword is really a bayonet fitted onto a rifle. Fascinating.

(June 29, 2014 at 5:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If you paid attention and actually learned something instead of believing BS propaganda you would know that the Vulgate is BS.

Typical conspiracy theorist talk.

(June 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, has anyone accepted Rev's generous "offer" (aka standard Christian threat) yet?

He needs to up the stakes on his version of Pascal's Wager. If there's no huge cash prize, in this life, I'm not interested.

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(June 30, 2014 at 7:46 am)Confused Ape Wrote:

(June 29, 2014 at 7:08 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: No no no.... Jesus was a vegan Pastafarian. Oh, and he shot the Kennedys.

Matthew 10:34 has Jesus saying he came to bring a sword. If he shot the Kennedys it means his sword is really a bayonet fitted onto a rifle. Fascinating.

No, no. It's a magic sword so it can shoot bullets, laser beams, photon torpedos or holy water at his whim.

(June 29, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

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(June 29, 2014 at 3:12 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: [hide]I've already stated countless times that assorted manuscripts were floating all over the place. After all, the con men had been flapping their jaws about the stories for centuries. The argument seems to be that that some enterprising soul wrote them all into the Vulgate centuries before Wycliffe and that Wycliffe merely got his paws on the pristine original and translated. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Even if the Vulgate existed there would be no way that the Pope would allow it to go all the way to dreary England so that some unknown character could play with it. It's simply not human nature.

What Wycliffe and his buddies might have done was to use some of the available manuscripts and their recollections of the stories and write their book. It would be in everyone's vested interest to then claim that the Bible existed before Wycliffe wrote it because otherwise people would lose faith in their religion.

The Vulgate could then have been made as a cover to keep the lie going. As previously mentioned, when a later Pope wrote his version the dummy made thousands of errors. So how did someone know that they were errors? They compared it to Wycliffe's. And if the Vulgate had existed in the Vatican the Pope would have had ready access to it to write his own fairy tale. The fact that he screwed his edition up so badly indicates that it didn't exist.

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Sorry, but I just don't believe that. Pope Damasus I commissioned Saint Jerome to write the Vulgate for a specific purpose. It was to hide the awkward fact that Jesus was really a Buddhist monk who survived the crucifixion and spent the rest of his life in Kashmir. This has to be true because the BBC made a documentary about it.




Jesus got waylaid by the Hindu John the Baptist, who threw him in the Jordan River to wash away his sins. Jesus (aka God) had been a dirty sinner until John baptized him. But since it wasn't in the Ganges River it didn't really count.

(June 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, has anyone accepted Rev's generous "offer" (aka standard Christian threat) yet?

Does this type of prosletyzing ever actually work on anyone but those who already believe it?

Does anyone know an atheist who has actually said, "Oh fuck, I don't want to go to hell. I must become a Christian now?" ANd I actually mean "know" not "I was an atheist until I read the bible/heard the threat/had some persistant fuckwit annoy me until I became a Christian" claim

I can't offer anything. God is the one who offers everyone this opportunity. And yes, there are many former atheists who are now believers.

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(June 30, 2014 at 11:18 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: So, has anyone accepted Rev's generous "offer" (aka standard Christian threat) yet?

He needs to up the stakes on his version of Pascal's Wager. If there's no huge cash prize, in this life, I'm not interested.

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(June 30, 2014 at 7:46 am)Confused Ape Wrote: Matthew 10:34 has Jesus saying he came to bring a sword. If he shot the Kennedys it means his sword is really a bayonet fitted onto a rifle. Fascinating.

No, no. It's a magic sword so it can shoot bullets, laser beams, photon torpedos or holy water at his whim.

God's universe, His rules. This plan of His is not an option. However, He gave you a free will to accept it or not. Don't let this offer pass you before it is too late.

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(June 28, 2014 at 1:57 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote:

(June 28, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Also, just because animals that can't reason do something in nature doesn't mean God gave the green light for humans to do. You can find animals stealing each other's food but does that mean it is right for us to do with each other?

Take your gawd-glasses off and read some science texts.

Educate yourself for fucks sake. Your ignorance is making the rest of us embarrassed to be the same species as you.

Procreation happens one way.

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(June 28, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(June 28, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Sir you are wrong about your view of what the Bible says about slavery. http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10...bible.html

That is some pretty pathetic apologetics, if they can even be called that. Slavery was okay in a "cultural context" because it wasn't based on racism, cheap labor, or sex? In other words, there is a context under which slavery is okay. Perhaps you can provide the specifics of when it's okay to enslave other humans, and when it isn't?

I am a slave to God. You can either be a slave to God or a slave to sin, no riding the fence on this one.

I don't see the point to preaching here, Rev. Best preach these empty claims somewhere else where people are more likely to embrace it.

I'm curious - why would anyone deliberately want to enchain themselves to such a patronisingly demeaning, emotionally, morally and intellectually stultifying elitist dogma, which must be defended at all costs and against all reason? It is truly baffling to me, especially in an age where the sum total of human knowledge is available to all at the click of a mouse. Fine, back in the Dark Age there was ignorance rampant; their world stretched only as far as the neighbouring village and was filled with the stench of disease and death compounded by ignorance. Today there is no such excuse, at least in the relatively civilised nations. Yet people still willingly demean themselves as slaves to superstition and exploitation by any two bob huckster with a prayerbook and an agenda? Madness.

Your problem, Rev, if I may, is that you have spent so much time and effort trying to be a xtian, you've forgotten how to be a human.