Quote:From a spiritual perspective, God has elected me, regenerated me, and given me belief.

OR... you have deluded yourself into thinking that you have a special invisible friend in the sky.

I'll go with the latter.


And, yes. He means Antipas.

Isn't "Antipas" a subset of our favourite culinary god, the might FSM?
I'm getting peckish now just thinking about it.

You didn't address anything above, you simply offered more of your own competing ideology. Try harder.

1-The Biblical God cannot lie.
The Bible is the word(s) of God.
2-If the Biblical God cannot lie, then the words of the Biblical God are true.

Let me help you. 1 and 2 squeeze the middle as though it belonged or could modify the others. It can't. All three can be true (and are - to muslims no less-) but it won't lead to the conclusion you want. If 1......even if there were no bible..then 2 could be true. Can you take it from there? Do you see what you've done?

(this leaving out the obvious possibility that 1 and the middle could be true, while 2 is false - god might simply be mistaken - not lying - of course)

(July 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: The Biblical God cannot lie.

Really?!?
"Genesis 2:17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
According to your nasty little collection of evil fairy tales, buy-bull gawd lied. Neither Adam nor Eve died the day they ate the fruit. Spin as you wish, but a lie is a lie is a lie.

Let me save you some trouble:
"Their death was spiritual."
Bullshit. Buy-bull gawd didn't say "you will be dead to me" or "it will be as though you died." He said they'd die, that day.

"But, they did die!"
Yeah. Allegedly 900+ years later. Not exactly "in the day."

But, but, er.... Oh! I know. One day for GOD is like a thousand years! Ha! Gotcha!!!
Um, no. We're talking about a part of a book where the days were clearly defined as 24-hour periods. "And the evening and the morning were the XXX day."

(July 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: The Bible is the word(s) of God.

The buy-bull is a collection of oral traditions and, at very best, second-hand accounts (more likely fourth-, fifth-, eighth- or even twenty-seventh-hand), written down by man. Nothing more, nothing less. There is nothing inerrant about it. In fact it is riddled with mistakes and contradictions.

Also, despite the fact that the first century CE is the best documented period in antiquity there is not one single contemporary account of jeebus. Not one

(July 3, 2014 at 10:43 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: If the Biblical God cannot lie, then the words of the Biblical God are true.

The authors of the buy-bull made gawd a liar in the first book. These words of men are no more true than any in the "Harry Potter" series. You could, with as much intellectual honesty as you're using now, bend your knee and pray to our savior Harry Potter whose coming was prophesied by Sybil Trelawny and who's actions fulfilled said prophesy. And, her's was much more specific than any buy-bull prophesy.

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On another, but related note, it always amuses me when christers put limits on their omniscient, omnipotent invisible sky-fairy daddy figure. "God cannot lie." Why the fuck not?!? It's supposed to be all powerful. Why can't it do what so many humans do every day, most of the time without qualm?!? Hell, he didn't even put lying completely off the table. "Thou salt not bear false-witness against your neighbor" is a far cry for "Thou shalt not lie." So, Sky-Superman has limits? In some ways humans are more powerful?

Wow! That's one awesome gawd you pray to.

With any luck, we'll be conversing with a newly minted muslim here in a few pages.

Leave the poor guy alone.
OK, there's a couple of discrepancies in the bible. So what!
God doesn't need no man made stupid bible to prove he exists!
He is the Almighty!
He doesn't need to prove to anyone he exists!
And he has done a damn good job of it!

No, No, That's not what I meant you evil athiest bastards!
You know what I meant!
I meant you mere mortals can never prove it, so there!
God is "my" god! I'm not sharing him with anyone!
When I pass, I'm going to heaven and eating fairy floss all day!
You souless unbelievers are going to rot in hell for an eternity!
So there!

(July 4, 2014 at 4:23 am)ignoramus Wrote: OK, there's a couple of discrepancies in the bible. So what!

Atheists always come up with this multitude of discrepancies and then you can research them and find refutations of these "discrepancies" from bible scholars. Google is just a click away. Check it out for yourself.