(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote:

(June 29, 2014 at 9:46 pm)Beccs Wrote: Does anyone know an atheist who has actually said, "Oh fuck, I don't want to go to hell. I must become a Christian now?" ANd I actually mean "know" not "I was an atheist until I read the bible/heard the threat/had some persistant fuckwit annoy me until I became a Christian" claim

I can't offer anything. God is the one who offers everyone this opportunity. And yes, there are many former atheists who are now believers.

Read the question again - that's not only not what you were asked, it's actually what was specifically mentioned wouldn't be an acceptable answer.

(June 29, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Confused Ape Wrote:

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Sorry, but I just don't believe that. Pope Damasus I commissioned Saint Jerome to write the Vulgate for a specific purpose. It was to hide the awkward fact that Jesus was really a Buddhist monk who survived the crucifixion and spent the rest of his life in Kashmir. This has to be true because the BBC made a documentary about it.

That video reminds me of a movie I once saw... It's not very rich in terms of sets and landscapes... but it can be interesting:

(July 4, 2014 at 9:25 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: I can't offer anything. God is the one who offers everyone this opportunity. And yes, there are many former atheists who are now believers.

Read the question again - that's not only not what you were asked, it's actually what was specifically mentioned wouldn't be an acceptable answer.

Trouble with reading comprehension may be the reason more people who actually read the bible don't also become atheists.

(June 28, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Sir you are wrong about your view of what the Bible says about slavery. http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10...bible.html

Oh, I missed this. That link is utter nonsense, scrabbling desperately to cover for immorality. The instructions for how slavery is to be conducted are right there, in black and white on the page: I don't need to compare that to American slavery to determine that it's immoral. The description is plenty for that.

The link also points out that these aren't commandments, but rather guidelines for if slavery is to happen, and I have to say Rev, this is utter bullshit, and it certainly doesn't make god out to be morally in the clear. If god actually had a problem with slavery, he could- no, should- have just outright banned it. Funny how he manages to formulate multiple commandments against worshipping anyone else but him, and turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking over her shoulder, but when it comes to slavery, oh, his hands are tied? Nonsense. At the very least, he didn't have to give a green light to slavery under certain conditions; given what's actually in the text, total silence on this issue would have been better, given all the times throughout history the bible has been used to justify slavery.

Besides, even if your link was correct- and it's not- tacit approval is still approval. Let me ask you this: the bible claims certain types of slavery is morally permissible for a christian, so would you be okay with that, as it's described in the bible, existing in modern times? Would you ever own a person like that?

Quote:Also, just because animals that can't reason do something in nature doesn't mean God gave the green light for humans to do. You can find animals stealing each other's food but does that mean it is right for us to do with each other?

Look, I brought you up on a single point: you claimed homosexuality wasn't natural, it happens in nature, therefore, you're wrong. You theists always make this argument when you're corrected on this: you say it's unnatural, you're shown that definitionally it can't be, and then you say "oh, just because animals do it..." It's twisting to avoid having to admit that your claim is wrong. Do me a favor, and stick to the argument you were actually making. Don't just move on to another one and then pretend it's the one you were making all along.

And given what you just said, I guess you are okay with slavery then? I mean, god gave the green light for that... among other things. Do you really want to get into a discussion about the things god does give green lights for?

(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: God's universe, His rules.

Evidence?!? What's that? You got nothing? Well, ok then.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: This plan of His is not an option.

Evidence?!? What's that? You got nothing? Well, ok then.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: However, He gave you a free will to accept it or not.

Your gawd didn't give me shit.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: Don't let this offer pass you before it is too late.

You sound like a really bad used car salesman! It will never be too late. There is no "return" to look forward to, no grand plan to worry about and no judgement to be afraid of after death.

Unless you want to provide some EVIDENCE of your bullshit claims, quit trying to earn heaven points off me. We all know the heaven points are the only reason you're here.

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(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: Procreation happens one way.

So the fuck what?!? Who said sex has to be about pro-creation?!?

Sex is a recreational activity. When assholes like you quit treating it like a sacred gift from gawd, quit making it a horrible taboo and start treating it like the carnival ride it is I'll take your opinions about it as something other than BULLSHIT For fuck sake. I want to know why it's not a televised contact sport! Full contact fucking should be on right after (NFL) football.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:51 am)Revelation777 Wrote: I am a slave to God. You can either be a slave to God or a slave to sin, no riding the fence on this one.

I am a slave to nothing you self-righteous chucklefuck! You go ahead and enjoy that submissive position you're in. When, not if but when, your gawd starts beating you for nothing you've done. Don't come crying here.

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(July 4, 2014 at 9:13 am)Stimbo Wrote: Fine, back in the Dark Age there was ignorance rampant; their world stretched only as far as the neighbouring village and was filled with the stench of disease and death compounded by ignorance.

Don't forget the stench of the open pit latrines and the communal middens.

(July 4, 2014 at 9:13 am)Stimbo Wrote: Your problem, Rev, if I may, is that you have spent so much time and effort trying to be a xtian, you've forgotten how to be a human.

Why can I only give one kudos? This part deserves many, many more!

(July 4, 2014 at 9:30 am)whateverist Wrote:

(July 4, 2014 at 9:25 am)Stimbo Wrote: Read the question again - that's not only not what you were asked, it's actually what was specifically mentioned wouldn't be an acceptable answer.

Trouble with reading comprehension may be the reason more people who actually read the bible don't also become atheists.

When reading the Bible I found faith and hope.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:11 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: When reading the Bible I found faith and hope.

What were those two girls doing at your place young man?!?

(July 4, 2014 at 9:30 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(June 28, 2014 at 1:24 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Sir you are wrong about your view of what the Bible says about slavery. http://debunkedevil.blogspot.com/2009/10...bible.html

Oh, I missed this. That link is utter nonsense, scrabbling desperately to cover for immorality. The instructions for how slavery is to be conducted are right there, in black and white on the page: I don't need to compare that to American slavery to determine that it's immoral. The description is plenty for that.

The link also points out that these aren't commandments, but rather guidelines for if slavery is to happen, and I have to say Rev, this is utter bullshit, and it certainly doesn't make god out to be morally in the clear. If god actually had a problem with slavery, he could- no, should- have just outright banned it. Funny how he manages to formulate multiple commandments against worshipping anyone else but him, and turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for looking over her shoulder, but when it comes to slavery, oh, his hands are tied? Nonsense. At the very least, he didn't have to give a green light to slavery under certain conditions; given what's actually in the text, total silence on this issue would have been better, given all the times throughout history the bible has been used to justify slavery.

Besides, even if your link was correct- and it's not- tacit approval is still approval. Let me ask you this: the bible claims certain types of slavery is morally permissible for a christian, so would you be okay with that, as it's described in the bible, existing in modern times? Would you ever own a person like that?

Quote:Also, just because animals that can't reason do something in nature doesn't mean God gave the green light for humans to do. You can find animals stealing each other's food but does that mean it is right for us to do with each other?

Look, I brought you up on a single point: you claimed homosexuality wasn't natural, it happens in nature, therefore, you're wrong. You theists always make this argument when you're corrected on this: you say it's unnatural, you're shown that definitionally it can't be, and then you say "oh, just because animals do it..." It's twisting to avoid having to admit that your claim is wrong. Do me a favor, and stick to the argument you were actually making. Don't just move on to another one and then pretend it's the one you were making all along.

And given what you just said, I guess you are okay with slavery then? I mean, god gave the green light for that... among other things. Do you really want to get into a discussion about the things god does give green lights for?

God obviously has made some concessions based on man's sinfulness. For example, God hates divorce and this was never a part of his original plan. Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning." Matt 19:8.

Secondly just because you say something is bull poopie doesn't mean it should be dismissed. We have a very narrow view of human history and slavery was a way of life for centuries. In fact in some ways if you work for an employer you too are under the authority and control of another person.

Thirdly, homosexuality is not part of God's original design, neither is animal eating animal. What God says is perverse is perverse regardless of what we think. Sorry, but He made the rules not us. If we can create our own universe then you can create your own rules.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:11 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:

(July 4, 2014 at 9:30 am)whateverist Wrote: Trouble with reading comprehension may be the reason more people who actually read the bible don't also become atheists.

When reading the Bible I found faith and hope.

So did I. I found faith in myself, that I was strong enough to let go of childish beliefs and get somewhere safe with my kids regardless of what a painfully absent god may have wanted had he existed. I found hope that if I tossed that filthy book in the trash and forgot all the horrible things I read in it, I could get away and learn to be happy again.
The bible saved my life.

(July 4, 2014 at 8:28 pm)Losty Wrote: The bible saved my life.

I would love to hear that story if you're ever willing to share.