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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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Ras is drawing authority from -the- authority on the subject...that which is clearly delineated as a legal right. This is akin to asking someone what authority they have to call an argument irrational.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 2:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Ras is drawing authority from -the- authority on the subject...that which is clearly delineated as a legal right. This is akin to asking someone what authority they have to call an argument irrational.
You do realize rights differ with nation, right? Rights are not fixed in stone.
So maybe, there are no such thing as "made up rights".
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: (July 5, 2014 at 2:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Ras is drawing authority from -the- authority on the subject...that which is clearly delineated as a legal right. This is akin to asking someone what authority they have to call an argument irrational.
You do realize rights differ with nation, right? Rights are not fixed in stone.
So maybe, there are no such thing as "made up rights".
You were the person who implied that rights of conscience should be subservient to other rights. If you can't think up a legitimate example for it, that's not my problem.
(July 5, 2014 at 1:06 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (July 5, 2014 at 12:55 am)Irrational Wrote: I don't value religious (or some other) rights if they get in the way of other rights that I consider with good reason to be of more value.
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If you think all types of rights are to be considered equal level, you think that isn't a dangerous thing to espouse? Yours is black and white thinking: it's either right or not. I find that more dangerous than what I believe in.
I believe I've asked how someone else's rights to live according to their conscience interferes with your rights. How might that occur? I'll grant as a given that one's right to swing one's fist ends at another's face. Please, let's have some examples where one person's exercise of right of conscience might interfere with another's rights.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: You do realize rights differ with nation, right? Rights are not fixed in stone.
So maybe, there are no such thing as "made up rights".
You misunderstand. I leave what rights a person may have to the person claiming them. I don't know what rights you have - but I do know what rights my country, for example (The US) assigns to you. These are legal rights. Rights that aren't therein contained aren't "made up" they're just not "rights" in the way that we have conceptualized them.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:49 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 2:42 pm)rasetsu Wrote: (July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: You do realize rights differ with nation, right? Rights are not fixed in stone.
So maybe, there are no such thing as "made up rights".
You were the person who implied that rights of conscience should be subservient to other rights. If you can't think up a legitimate example for it, that's not my problem.
I did. You reject it because it doesn't bode well with how you view rights.
Do you think it's ok for children to be indoctrinated with stuff about hell?
Are rights set in stone? Must rights only be rights if they are acknowledged in the present moment by the law of your nation?
(July 5, 2014 at 2:44 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Irrational Wrote: You do realize rights differ with nation, right? Rights are not fixed in stone.
So maybe, there are no such thing as "made up rights".
You misunderstand. I leave what rights a person may have to the person claiming them. I don't know what rights you have - but I do know what rights my country, for example (The US) assigns to you. These are legal rights. Rights that aren't therein contained aren't "made up" they're just not "rights" in the way that we have conceptualized them.
I agree with you. I never restricted my argument on rights to legal rights.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:52 pm
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The other side of the argument has restricted themselves - which is why you got the comment that you did. Get it now?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:56 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 2:52 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The other side of the argument has restricted themselves - which is why you got the comment that you did. Get it now?
But that defeats the whole point of why we're arguing about what rights should matter. Do you see why they shouldn't be restricting it to just current legal rights?
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Of course I do, and no, it doesn't defeat any point to arguing how rights that are contained within law rub up against each other, or how a specific approach to a right contained within law might not be suitable for some other right (or the insistence that the same approach be suitable to all rights).
Sigh.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 2:59 pm
Would it help if I mentioned that I, essentially, agree with your conclusions - just not the manner in which you've reached them? You aren't being challenged to defend your conclusions at present. It's the manner in which you got from a to b under review.
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RE: Abortion is morally wrong
July 5, 2014 at 3:04 pm
I don't think you're getting me. For example, is the right to save a child from drowning a legal right or a "made up right"? According to what nation? Cthulhu mentioned that one in his analogy (forgot the exact wording but it was something about that).
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