(July 12, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:17 pm)Godslayer Wrote: Nice revisionist history there bud. Almost as funny as your "the dumbest believers likely don't even use the internet" gem of a statement.

The dumbest theists don't use the internet. That's too advanced for them.

I see you fail at history just the same as you fail at logic. The Christian Church regained power (and then gained ever more power) when it was propped up to counter the threat of Islam in the 8th century CE.

Um and just when do you think the middle ages happened Polaris? The usual dates are from about the 400s to the 1600. So if Christianity dominated Europe from the 700s onwards, then it would be mostly Christian right? --- Though actually it began dominating those parts of Europe outside Rome and the Middle East between 200 and 400 CE depending in where in Europe you're talking about and only lost the Middle East to Islam in the 700s.

(July 12, 2014 at 8:50 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Polaris Wrote: The dumbest theists don't use the internet. That's too advanced for them.

I see you fail at history just the same as you fail at logic. The Christian Church regained power (and then gained ever more power) when it was propped up to counter the threat of Islam in the 8th century CE.

Um and just when do you think the middle ages happened Polaris? The usual dates are from about the 400s to the 1600. So if Christianity dominated Europe from the 700s onwards, then it would be mostly Christian right? --- Though actually it began dominating those parts of Europe outside Rome and the Middle East between 200 and 400 CE depending in where in Europe you're talking about and only lost the Middle East to Islam in the 700s.

The Christian Church faltered when the Roman Empire fell. When the Holy Roman Empire was instituted, it regained its clout. It's a faith that barely survives unless it is the state religion of an empire (or an entity closely resembling an empire). The barbarians tended to stick to their own religions (there were a few of them who were Christian) and it was they who ruled Europe after the fall of the the Roman Empire....they gradually converted over the course of the next couple centuries until 732 CE when their world changed.

The definition of the Dark Ages that commingles the term with the Middle Ages is almost as outdated as breakthroughs from the Middle Ages itself and is based upon piss poor historical recounting from the Italians.

(July 11, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Polaris Wrote: As with most atheists who post online, they do much more harm than good.

Poor Polecat....not feeling the love for his fairy tales.

(July 12, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 11, 2014 at 8:09 pm)Polaris Wrote: As with most atheists who post online, they do much more harm than good.

Poor Polecat....not feeling the love for his fairy tales.

Actually, it's about those atheists not feeling the love for academia. Poor America really. You guys are a generation behind and it's not because of Christians, it's because you Yanks are lazy.

(July 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:50 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Um and just when do you think the middle ages happened Polaris? The usual dates are from about the 400s to the 1600. So if Christianity dominated Europe from the 700s onwards, then it would be mostly Christian right? --- Though actually it began dominating those parts of Europe outside Rome and the Middle East between 200 and 400 CE depending in where in Europe you're talking about and only lost the Middle East to Islam in the 700s.

The Christian Church faltered when the Roman Empire fell. When the Holy Roman Empire was instituted, it regained its clout. It's a faith that barely survives unless it is the state religion of an empire (or an entity closely resembling an empire). The barbarians tended to stick to their own religions (there were a few of them who were Christian) and it was they who ruled Europe after the fall of the the Roman Empire....they gradually converted over the course of the next couple centuries until 732 CE when their world changed.

The definition of the Dark Ages that commingles the term with the Middle Ages is almost as outdated as breakthroughs from the Middle Ages itself and is based upon piss poor historical recounting from the Italians.

I will agree with you that the middle ages weren't entirely a time of retrogress or stagnation. My history professor said it himself, many people wrongly think there are no positive aspects of the middle ages... This is of course a lie, the middle ages had better moments, more or less intermediate moments and bad moments. Simply many bad moments out-stand the good, even if we consider the bright side.

(July 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Polaris Wrote: The definition of the Dark Ages that commingles the term with the Middle Ages is almost as outdated as breakthroughs from the Middle Ages itself and is based upon piss poor historical recounting from the Italians.

Hardly, the Middle Ages and the Dark Ages used to be synonymous. Professors fond of the age resolutely stuck to Middle Ages until virtually no one said Dark Ages any more. There is a group that labels the early Middle Ages as the Dark Ages, but that usually runs from about 400 to about 1000 CE.

The point regardless of what you call the era is that innovation ground to an almost halt until the 1500s.

By the way "Dark" in this context originally referred to the paucity of written records, not the times.

(July 12, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:17 pm)Godslayer Wrote: Nice revisionist history there bud. Almost as funny as your "the dumbest believers likely don't even use the internet" gem of a statement.

The dumbest theists don't use the internet. That's too advanced for them.

I see you fail at history just the same as you fail at logic. The Christian Church regained power (and then gained ever more power) when it was propped up to counter the threat of Islam in the 8th century CE.

What exactly caused the Dark ages, oh, just politics, right...

You're going to sit there and say religion wasn't powerful during this time? like I said, revisionist history.

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(July 12, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Poor Polecat....not feeling the love for his fairy tales.

Actually, it's about those atheists not feeling the love for academia. Poor America really. You guys are a generation behind and it's not because of Christians, it's because you Yanks are lazy.

Funny how you say that Atheists need Academia but provide no evidence that atheists are causing harm.

Guess you're just a sensationalist.

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(July 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:50 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Um and just when do you think the middle ages happened Polaris? The usual dates are from about the 400s to the 1600. So if Christianity dominated Europe from the 700s onwards, then it would be mostly Christian right? --- Though actually it began dominating those parts of Europe outside Rome and the Middle East between 200 and 400 CE depending in where in Europe you're talking about and only lost the Middle East to Islam in the 700s.

The Christian Church faltered when the Roman Empire fell. When the Holy Roman Empire was instituted, it regained its clout. It's a faith that barely survives unless it is the state religion of an empire (or an entity closely resembling an empire). The barbarians tended to stick to their own religions (there were a few of them who were Christian) and it was they who ruled Europe after the fall of the the Roman Empire....they gradually converted over the course of the next couple centuries until 732 CE when their world changed.

The definition of the Dark Ages that commingles the term with the Middle Ages is almost as outdated as breakthroughs from the Middle Ages itself and is based upon piss poor historical recounting from the Italians.

Yeah, the Christian church "fell" right lol, but they were still the most dominate (or second most dominant) religion in the world during that time and ended up having a lot of followers when the dark/middle ages was over...hmmm...Seems like your argument is crumbling under it's own bullshit.

Best one is "Darkmatter2525" .

(July 12, 2014 at 9:04 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(July 12, 2014 at 8:55 pm)Polaris Wrote: The definition of the Dark Ages that commingles the term with the Middle Ages is almost as outdated as breakthroughs from the Middle Ages itself and is based upon piss poor historical recounting from the Italians.

Hardly, the Middle Ages and the Dark Ages used to be synonymous. Professors fond of the age resolutely stuck to Middle Ages until virtually no one said Dark Ages any more. There is a group that labels the early Middle Ages as the Dark Ages, but that usually runs from about 400 to about 1000 CE.

The point regardless of what you call the era is that innovation ground to an almost halt until the 1500s.

By the way "Dark" in this context originally referred to the paucity of written records, not the times.

It's because the Italians weren't the best historians and didn't know how to do research.

(July 13, 2014 at 12:03 am)Godslayer Wrote: What exactly caused the Dark ages, oh, just politics, right...

You're going to sit there and say religion wasn't powerful during this time? like I said, revisionist history.

Let me see....corruption, over-extension of resources, and barbarian invasions. Stuff that's taught to elementary school students. And every time you open your retard mouth, you harm other atheists. I love how you're so fucking stupid, you don't see that you're the problem. Atheists such as yourself (at least in the Europeanized nations) do more harm to atheists than anything else (you're just like those Christian Fundamentalists). As a Christian, we root for you guys because it makes our conversion attempts so much easier.

Islam was the dominant religion during the Dark Ages. Christianity was in third place when the various pagan religions are seen as more unified instead of viewing them one by one.