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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 8:59 am
Quote:If you personally think it's immoral that is your prerogative.
If you try to make a person (regardless of their gender) feel guilty for their sexual behavior, then that is slut shaming.
Of course I wouldn't stop people from having their behaviour, I consider promiscuous behaviour from both sides to be immoral, not because I think sex is only for procreation, but because I think sticking to a partner with emotional attachment makes more sense and compensates in the long run. Not that I think the occasional one night stand and hook up at the bar is immoral, it's not... What I consider immoral is people banging one different person per week and then complaining that dates don't take them seriously, it's just normal for people to refuse dating with someone who has had many sex partners. And I think promiscuous behaviour is for both sides not only women, even though women have a more easy time picking a partner, and that's the reason they get slut shamed more, even by non religious people. In all social groups most people will think of a woman who bangs the entire block as slut, that's how it works.
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 9:09 am
"even though women have a more easy time picking a partner, and that's the reason they get slut shamed more," no that is not the reason at all. Women are slut shamed more in most cultures because women are not supposed to be sexual creatures. Women are not supposed to have sexual thoughts and desires. A woman can be slut shamed even if she's only had 1 partner. Young girls who develope early can be slut shamed even though they're virgins. Many religious women are slut shamed even within the confines of their own marriages. Because they're meant to please their husbands, but not actually enjoy sex.
I'm not saying this stuff is overly common everywhere, but it is certainly real. And it has nothing to do with who can find a sex partner easier.
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 9:11 am
Things Modern Feminist Need to Focus On:
1. Disabled parents are at very high risk of losing child custody cases to non-disabled partners
2. The FDA does not test the highly dangerous chemicals that are used in relaxers to straighten hair, yet it's being applied to two year olds
3. Sex education is not comprehensive, and does not cover all sexualities
4. Parents still have the right to sterilize a disabled child
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 9:16 am
(July 20, 2014 at 9:09 am)Losty Wrote: "even though women have a more easy time picking a partner, and that's the reason they get slut shamed more," no that is not the reason at all. Women are slut shamed more in most cultures because women are not supposed to be sexual creatures. Women are not supposed to have sexual thoughts and desires. A woman can be slut shamed even if she's only had 1 partner. Young girls who develope early can be slut shamed even though they're virgins. Many religious women are slut shamed even within the confines of their own marriages. Because they're meant to please their husbands, but not actually enjoy sex.
I'm not saying this stuff is overly common everywhere, but it is certainly real. And it has nothing to do with who can find a sex partner easier.
I was talking about social circles in developed countries, I see the reason I quoted as being the psychological reason why slut shaming happens, even though I'm not really talking about slut shaming here but more likely social prejudice. I completely agree on the rest but that's more predominant in third world countries or theocracies. The example is Islam. Those damn arabs
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 9:19 am
(July 20, 2014 at 9:16 am)Blackout Wrote: I was talking about social circles in developed countries, I see the reason I quoted as being the psychological reason why slut shaming happens, even though I'm not really talking about slut shaming here but more likely social prejudice. I completely agree on the rest but that's more predominant in third world countries or theocracies. The example is Islam. Those damn arabs
Yes definitely worse than I described in third world countries. I was actually giving examples specifically from the town I grew up in right here in the good ole USA. :/
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 9:21 am
(July 20, 2014 at 9:19 am)Losty Wrote: (July 20, 2014 at 9:16 am)Blackout Wrote: I was talking about social circles in developed countries, I see the reason I quoted as being the psychological reason why slut shaming happens, even though I'm not really talking about slut shaming here but more likely social prejudice. I completely agree on the rest but that's more predominant in third world countries or theocracies. The example is Islam. Those damn arabs
Yes definitely worse than I described in third world countries. I was actually giving examples specifically from the town I grew up in right here in the good ole USA. :/ Sometimes I'm really happy to live in europe. I have so many female friends who had multiple partners that I don't think that slut shaming happens that often amongst youngsters, even though some older parents still insist on it frequently, I know quite a few. A female friend of my girlfriend is 21 and her mother doesn't allow her to go on vacation because she's afraid her daughter my sleep with her boyfriend, as if that was abnormal at such a young age
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 9:28 am
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(July 20, 2014 at 7:38 am)ignoramus Wrote: and lose the nose thing!
(See, I'm a grumpy old man!)
Besides it's just so slutty. 
(July 20, 2014 at 8:12 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (July 20, 2014 at 7:50 am)Siren Wrote: Also is she saying modern fems slut shame or they dont?
I think she is saying that modern feminists focus on slut shaming too much whilst completely ignoring the frankly terrible treatment of women in other countries. Its like if I called a woman a 'bitch' and they get really offended by it, but at that exact moment, a few thousand miles away, a woman is being whipped for being raped. Its like: get your priorities right.
This seems an example of first world problem shaming. Even though women in 3rd world countries have it much worse, everyone has their story to tell.
(July 20, 2014 at 8:52 am)Losty Wrote: Blackout Wrote:Sure but there's a difference between slut shaming and criticizing promiscuous behaviour on both sexes, some people fail to see the difference. I think it's immoral for someone to have sex with 20 people a week that doesn't mean I'm slut shaming anyone If you personally think it's immoral that is your prerogative.
If you try to make a person (regardless of their gender) feel guilty for their sexual behavior, then that is slut shaming.
I don't think so. (Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong of course.) I think slut shaming is specifically about coming down harder on women than on men.
Rape culture -to me- is about dismissing rape with an attitude of "boys will be boys". One sex's youthful hijinks can't make the other sex's violation okay. Suppressing what may come naturally is precisely what is at stake. Pro-social behavior means not sticking your dick where it isn't welcome (unless you're play acting of course).
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 11:21 am
(July 20, 2014 at 9:28 am)whateverist Wrote: Rape culture -to me- is about dismissing rape with an attitude of "boys will be boys".
Luckily, only uneducated simpletons think like that.
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 11:23 am
(July 20, 2014 at 11:21 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (July 20, 2014 at 9:28 am)whateverist Wrote: Rape culture -to me- is about dismissing rape with an attitude of "boys will be boys".
Luckily, only uneducated simpletons think like that. FTFY
I've known plenty of educated simpletons that are certainly stupid enough to think something like that.
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RE: Modern feminism
July 20, 2014 at 11:36 am
Critcising promiscuous behaviour is the practice of devaluing a person to the level of merchandise, further devaluing them every time they're used.
Equality is generations away. Sexism is so entrenched in society that even many women can't see it and if they do they are suddenly feminazis.
I think women and men can be concerned about all sexist problems, big or small, no matter what country.
There are mothers in Africa who pound their daughter's breasts with rocks everyday until they're flat so they won't get raped but they still get raped anyway.
I've seen a picture of a little girl crying and holding a bag of lollies. She'd just had her clitoris cut off.
These are bad images. Enough to make a sexist man say,'what are our women complaining about, they've got it so good.'
So I think there's a danger in that.
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