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(August 23, 2014 at 6:46 am)Stimbo Wrote: Regardless, why bother with a deadline at all? It's not as if "God" was warning of some imminent disaster beyond its control. "God" supposedly was pulling all the strings the whole time and could just as easily have waited until the ark project was completed and stocked before wiping out all life.
It's a good thing that he was god, otherwise he might have wrongly estimated how long it would take a group of 400-500 year-olds to build the world's biggest wooden boat, and load tens of thousands of animals onto it.
Let me see if I channel snowpeas:
But because the flood was local to just the area where the HSS had become especially loathsome to God, there just weren't all that many different animals to bring.[/impersonation]
What an enormous millstone it must be to have to make literal sense of the bible. Snowpeas sure does work hard at it, even if it is pointless. What I can't tell is whether he took up this mindset because he wasn't too bright, or, if engaging in this activity has dimmed his light.
(August 23, 2014 at 12:26 pm)whateverist Wrote: What an enormous millstone it must be to have to make literal sense of the bible. Snowpeas sure does work hard at it, even if it is pointless. What I can't tell is whether he took up this mindset because he wasn't too bright, or, if engaging in this activity has dimmed his light.
No, I'm pretty sure that working hard would include ensuring internal consistency. I write smut for a living, and I can do that with my fantasy universe, so if he was working half as hard as me he should be able to do the same with his.
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August 23, 2014 at 10:00 pm (This post was last modified: August 23, 2014 at 10:30 pm by snowtracks.)
(August 23, 2014 at 6:46 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(August 23, 2014 at 2:06 am)snowtracks Wrote: God always gives ample warning of impeding judgment delivered by His spokesperson,
A week, wasn't it? Or am I thinking of Evan Almighty..?
Regardless, why bother with a deadline at all? It's not as if "God" was warning of some imminent disaster beyond its control. "God" supposedly was pulling all the strings the whole time and could just as easily have waited until the ark project was completed and stocked before wiping out all life.
(August 23, 2014 at 2:06 am)snowtracks Wrote: the text says the ark was build with 'gopher wood' (this type of wood is unidentified today) but we do know that certain hardwoods can match the tensile strength of some metals at least by weight.
If we don't know anything about the wood supposedly used, beyond the name, speculating about its properties is nothing more than fanfap. You might as well say it was magic and have just as much foundation. However, since you're trying to shoehorn scientific principles into a mythology that relies on miracles to bail itself out, let's see how far you get before you do resort to magic.
(August 23, 2014 at 2:06 am)snowtracks Wrote: today the warning is that the book of life at the great white throng judgment will be open, and those names not written therein (appears that every person name was originally written there but names are expunged upon death) will face judgment, but here again, God offers rescue to those that want it.
Why did you bother with this paragraph? Threats and intimidation won't make something true. Only reality can do that. Do you think Stephen Hawking threatens the Royal Society with burning down the building if they don't take his work seriously?
Grow up.
to you it's not a threat since you don't believe it. what you find threating is the free expression of ideas in the public forum.
i'm not interested in converting since i fully endorse free will. after all, the garden of eden was good then God introduced free will to make it even better. now go take the hocking ice bucket challenge.
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It's irrelevant whether we feel threatened, the fact is, you are threatening us.
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August 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm (This post was last modified: August 23, 2014 at 10:35 pm by Cyberman.)
Don't be silly, snowy. I don't find free expression, here or elsewhere, in the least bit threatening; and if you have any complaints about my position as a Moderator then raise them in the proper channels. But that's all beside the point anyway, because your threats of judgement had nothing to do with free expression except on the level of trying to shut it down. What you were doing was playing the "believe me or burn" card and I called you on it. That showed me - and anyone else keeping score - that you have nothing of substance to offer on the subject on which you have been expounding at great length. Only lies and deceit require threats of retribution to bolster them; they cannot stand on their own.
And it doesn't matter if I believe in your threats or not. What matters is the intent behind the rhetoric. Were I to say that you as a person deserved to be torn apart excruciatingly slowly and what remains boiled in acid until it is as though you never existed, that gives away more about my attitudes and prejudices than it does about exposing your credulity. This passive-aggressive shit you're throwing around is childish in the extreme and has no place in what purports to be a scientific (in the loosest possible use of the term) discussion (ditto).
Incidentally, I'm left wondering why you ignored the rest of my post and simply focussed in on the last part?
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(August 23, 2014 at 2:06 am)snowtracks Wrote: one reason would be an ark being build in the middle of a desert plain that receive little rainfall would command attention. God always gives ample warning of impeding judgment delivered by His spokesperson, a prophet that delivers a message that offers rescue to those who will repent. A distinguished patriarch working on a 100 year project would certainly gather crowds to hear that message.
That message being... what, exactly? "God is going to kill you all, but not me and my family!"? What message do those marked for death need to hear?
You haven't thought this through at all, have you?
Quote: the text says the ark was build with 'gopher wood' (this type of wood is unidentified today) but we do know that certain hardwoods can match the tensile strength of some metals at least by weight. the ark itself only had to be build to float like a barge since it didn't have any particular destination.
It is physically impossible that the ark, made at the dimensions listed in the bible, would have stayed afloat for long. In the entire history of seagoing vessels, the largest boats ever constructed of wood- and these are smaller than the ark, by the way- sank due to the constant flexing of the purely wooden hull. In fact, after a certain size the flexing meant that the entire boat needs to be constantly bailed out, and even then it sank in the end, with a full crew doing that. This apologetic is bullshit.
And incidentally, if the ark had no ability to steer, then why would Noah bother sending doves out to search for land? It wouldn't matter; he could be ten feet away from dry land and just float the fuck on by.
Skipper, that's a steel shell with cedar eye candy, you do realize that right?
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(August 23, 2014 at 10:33 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
Don't be silly, snowy. I don't find free expression, here or elsewhere, in the least bit threatening; and if you have any complaints about my position as a Moderator then raise them in the proper channels. But that's all beside the point anyway, because your threats of judgement had nothing to do with free expression except on the level of trying to shut it down. What you were doing was playing the "believe me or burn" card and I called you on it. That showed me - and anyone else keeping score - that you have nothing of substance to offer on the subject on which you have been expounding at great length. Only lies and deceit require threats of retribution to bolster them; they cannot stand on their own.
And it doesn't matter if I believe in your threats or not. What matters is the intent behind the rhetoric. Were I to say that you as a person deserved to be torn apart excruciatingly slowly and what remains boiled in acid until it is as though you never existed, that gives away more about my attitudes and prejudices than it does about exposing your credulity. This passive-aggressive shit you're throwing around is childish in the extreme and has no place in what purports to be a scientific (in the loosest possible use of the term) discussion (ditto).
Incidentally, I'm left wondering why you ignored the rest of my post and simply focussed in on the last part?
well okay, good enough. for awhile there, I thought you were on a 'burn-the-books campaign'. but that being said, be free to quote or paraphrase (which I was doing) books from the likes of dawkins, krausse, etc that believe in annihilation which I won't find offensive or threatening in any way, shape, or manner.
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First of all, I didn't say "couldn't float," I said "will sink." You idiots always do this, you go for the most simplistic possible view of the ark: "Oh, it floats for a bit, therefore..."
No. The problem is that a wooden boat like that- even if it was using iron braces, like the largest wooden ship ever constructed did, and that was still smaller than the ark- flexes in even placid water. It bends and takes on water, it needs to be bailed out constantly, and that's during calm seas, not during the middle of a raging flood when the ship is full of animals, and has no way of steering against the tide. The ark would sink.
Also, as has already been pointed out, the ark replica is a metal boat with a wooden covering. So I'm curious: did you read that line and then decide to lie about it, did you not read the article at all, or did you read the bit that confirmed what you wanted to be true and then stopped?
Quote:what you find threating is the free expression of ideas in the public forum.
Yes. Stimbo, a man with the power to ban you at any time, let this thread grow to 140 pages, because he is threatened by the free expression of ideas. Absolutely. That's exactly what is happening here. You cracked the code.
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First of all, I didn't say "couldn't float," I said "will sink." You idiots always do this, you go for the most simplistic possible view of the ark: "Oh, it floats for a bit, therefore..."
No. The problem is that a wooden boat like that- even if it was using iron braces, like the largest wooden ship ever constructed did, and that was still smaller than the ark- flexes in even placid water. It bends and takes on water, it needs to be bailed out constantly, and that's during calm seas, not during the middle of a raging flood when the ship is full of animals, and has no way of steering against the tide. The ark would sink.
Also, as has already been pointed out, the ark replica is a metal boat with a wooden covering. So I'm curious: did you read that line and then decide to lie about it, did you not read the article at all, or did you read the bit that confirmed what you wanted to be true and then stopped?
Quote:what you find threating is the free expression of ideas in the public forum.
Yes. Stimbo, a man with the power to ban you at any time, let this thread grow to 140 pages, because he is threatened by the free expression of ideas. Absolutely. That's exactly what is happening here. You cracked the code.
read this part before posting - 'the hull was built by welding the metal hulls.' but still think it's a fair representation.
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