This Earth will take care of itself. We are its creation, and it will deal with us as is necessary.

(August 31, 2014 at 2:16 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think world wide people should kill all domestic dogs,

Not that I'm a dog lover, but why? What do dogs have to do with global warming?

(August 31, 2014 at 2:16 pm)paulpablo Wrote: cease production of beef, kill the cows.

Good idea!
Everyone, from now on, drink sheep, goat or soy milk. None other! None other is available.

(August 31, 2014 at 5:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(August 31, 2014 at 2:16 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think world wide people should kill all domestic dogs,

Not that I'm a dog lover, but why? What do dogs have to do with global warming?

(August 31, 2014 at 2:16 pm)paulpablo Wrote: cease production of beef, kill the cows.

Good idea!
Everyone, from now on, drink sheep, goat or soy milk. None other! None other is available.

A dogs carbon footprint is quite large, they consume a lot of meat which requires land which could be used to plant trees.
Cow milk isn't essential for humans so it's no loss.

dbp, let me make some alterations to your statements...

• I agree we are doing some harm, but we still have to except what climate we are given get from the earth, if we weren't here, I still believe that the climate will still change
  
  This is true to a very small some extent.
  
  That it would change anyway is not a perfectly valid reason to not do anything.

(August 31, 2014 at 5:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Not that I'm a dog lover, but why? What do dogs have to do with global warming?

Removing one unnecessary pet dog reduces your carbon-footprint by the same amount as removing not one, but two 4WD (SUV) vehicles (link).

There are an estimated 4.2 million pet dogs in Australia, removing all of them would be the same, ecologically speaking, as removing 8.4 million 4WD's (or even more smaller cars). As the population of Australia is 23.5 million, so you can see that just by killing all pet dogs and replacing them with 4WD's the world would be a much better place.

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(August 31, 2014 at 10:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Cow milk isn't essential for humans so it's no loss.

That's not 100% true. Milk is very nutrient-dense and helps balance diets that are high in grain which is very cheap nutrient-poor food. If we had no dairy we'd need to lessen our dependence on grain, or consume more meat to get our dietary requirements.

(August 29, 2014 at 4:03 pm)Losty Wrote: OP didn't you post that thread that was like, would life be so much better if we all died? Or something like that. Have you ever considered talking to a family member, close friend, or counselor about your depression?

(August 31, 2014 at 2:16 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think world wide people should kill all domestic dogs, cease production of beef, kill the cows. Use the land what was used for cows to plant trees, and find alternative fuel for vehicles and to produce electricity . That's if people are really worried about global warming. It probably won't effect me in my lifetime and no one else seems to care.
I'm pissed off that I found out that for some reason climate change means britain will get even colder, even as we're being flooded by global warming, I thought I'd at least be able to get a good tan while I'm dying but apparently not.

Dogs? Why that's hardly a drop in the bucket. Anyone at all serious about addressing global warming should advocate harvesting at least two out of every three children. Turn them into to Soylent Green as a protein substitute for cows which would no longer exist.

(August 31, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Aractus Wrote: dbp, let me make some alterations to your statements...

• I agree we are doing some harm, but we still have to except what climate we are given get from the earth, if we weren't here, I still believe that the climate will still change
  
  This is true to a very small some extent.
  
  That it would change anyway is not a perfectly valid reason to not do anything.

(August 31, 2014 at 5:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Not that I'm a dog lover, but why? What do dogs have to do with global warming?

Removing one unnecessary pet dog reduces your carbon-footprint by the same amount as removing not one, but two 4WD (SUV) vehicles (link).

There are an estimated 4.2 million pet dogs in Australia, removing all of them would be the same, ecologically speaking, as removing 8.4 million 4WD's (or even more smaller cars). As the population of Australia is 23.5 million, so you can see that just by killing all pet dogs and replacing them with 4WD's the world would be a much better place.

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(August 31, 2014 at 10:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Cow milk isn't essential for humans so it's no loss.

That's not 100% true. Milk is very nutrient-dense and helps balance diets that are high in grain which is very cheap nutrient-poor food. If we had no dairy we'd need to lessen our dependence on grain, or consume more meat to get our dietary requirements.

Wow. You would see an avoidable mass extinction just because you can't be bothered to make any changes to your life style.

You seemed to have jumped on the "climate will change anyway" part of my post and missed out the part where we are the drivers of cataclysmic change because of the gross miss use of the planet.
If we were to try and purposely fuck the planet up we would be doing exactly the same as we are doing now.

(September 1, 2014 at 12:51 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(August 31, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Aractus Wrote: dbp, let me make some alterations to your statements...

• I agree we are doing some harm, but we still have to except what climate we are given get from the earth, if we weren't here, I still believe that the climate will still change
  
  This is true to a very small some extent.
  
  That it would change anyway is not a perfectly valid reason to not do anything.

Removing one unnecessary pet dog reduces your carbon-footprint by the same amount as removing not one, but two 4WD (SUV) vehicles (link).

There are an estimated 4.2 million pet dogs in Australia, removing all of them would be the same, ecologically speaking, as removing 8.4 million 4WD's (or even more smaller cars). As the population of Australia is 23.5 million, so you can see that just by killing all pet dogs and replacing them with 4WD's the world would be a much better place.

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That's not 100% true. Milk is very nutrient-dense and helps balance diets that are high in grain which is very cheap nutrient-poor food. If we had no dairy we'd need to lessen our dependence on grain, or consume more meat to get our dietary requirements.

Wow. You would see an avoidable mass extinction just because you can't be bothered to make any changes to your life style.

You seemed to have jumped on the "climate will change anyway" part of my post and missed out the part where we are the drivers of cataclysmic change because of the gross miss use of the planet.
If we were to try and purposely fuck the planet up we would be doing exactly the same as we are doing now.

Dogs and cows are an accessory to our human lifestyles, not mine personally because I don't have a pet or eat beef. Many of the dog breeds and cow breeds exist specifically for human needs.
It's more realistic to kill cows and dogs than to tell people they can't drive vehicles anymore.

(September 1, 2014 at 11:49 am)whateverist Wrote:

(August 31, 2014 at 2:16 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think world wide people should kill all domestic dogs, cease production of beef, kill the cows. Use the land what was used for cows to plant trees, and find alternative fuel for vehicles and to produce electricity . That's if people are really worried about global warming. It probably won't effect me in my lifetime and no one else seems to care.
I'm pissed off that I found out that for some reason climate change means britain will get even colder, even as we're being flooded by global warming, I thought I'd at least be able to get a good tan while I'm dying but apparently not.

Dogs? Why that's hardly a drop in the bucket. Anyone at all serious about addressing global warming should advocate harvesting at least two out of every three children. Turn them into to Soylent Green as a protein substitute for cows which would no longer exist.

We should probably start with Australians before we switch over to children. There probably about enough people there to last long enough to figure out the manufacturing process and get the stuff at least half ass palatable before we start harvesting the more premium younger cuts.

I would sooner kill environmentalists than my dog.