Quote:That's not the invisible hand in any way. That's douchebagness

Why, you, SOCIALIST, you!!!!!

Wasn't Elon Musk going to open source Tesla?

This is becoming a rather charged matter I'd say

It is indeed having a electrifying effect.

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(September 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Zack Wrote: Wasn't Elon Musk going to open source Tesla?

Not was going to. Did. And his company's stock went up on the announcement.

So... european curiosity... how much does a Tesla cost?

Hmm I will say this will only become a lightning rod for yet another polarized debate.

However, this is rather important thing to keep up with. Mainly because Tesla's business plan has really started to terrify the ICE cars and mainly the gasoline companies.

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(September 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So... european curiosity... how much does a Tesla cost?

It really depends, right now they are only sporting I believe 100k range car. However, in the next two years a cheaper 25k model will be launched.

(September 2, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:That's not the invisible hand in any way. That's douchebagness

Why, you, SOCIALIST, you!!!!!

There is no better evidence than the free market advocates that religions are not a innocent byproduct of foolishness, but a tool invented by and for those with wicked desire to dominate through deception.

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(September 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So... european curiosity... how much does a Tesla cost?

70K sticker, With all the incentives, starting at about 60K, broadly comparable here to a mid range Mercedes or BMW 5. Tesla does seem to compete very successfully with these.

(September 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(September 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm)pocaracas Wrote: So... european curiosity... how much does a Tesla cost?

70K sticker, With all the incentives, starting at about 60K, broadly comparable here to a mid range Mercedes or BMW 5. Tesla does seem to compete very successfully with these.

That's.... quite a lot for people with an average income, around here.
But then, again, those people don't drive BMW's nor mercedes... they go for Fiat, Renault, Peugeot, Opel or Seat.... stuff on the sub-20k range.
But I'd like to see those who go for BMW's and Mercs to switch to something like a Tesla.
I already see a few people going for hybrids, like the Prius, so I guess there's a market on this side of the pond!

(September 2, 2014 at 7:46 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Chuck Wrote: 70K sticker, With all the incentives, starting at about 60K, broadly comparable here to a mid range Mercedes or BMW 5. Tesla does seem to compete very successfully with these.

That's.... quite a lot for people with an average income, around here.
But then, again, those people don't drive BMW's nor mercedes... they go for Fiat, Renault, Peugeot, Opel or Seat.... stuff on the sub-20k range.
But I'd like to see those who go for BMW's and Mercs to switch to something like a Tesla.
I already see a few people going for hybrids, like the Prius, so I guess there's a market on this side of the pond!

THat depends, I don't see many people here driving mercedes (But I'm not from Lisbon), but I see lots of people with BMW - My stepdad only buys BMW's and now he has a mercedes, and he has average income

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(September 2, 2014 at 7:46 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(September 2, 2014 at 7:02 pm)Chuck Wrote: 70K sticker, With all the incentives, starting at about 60K, broadly comparable here to a mid range Mercedes or BMW 5. Tesla does seem to compete very successfully with these.

That's.... quite a lot for people with an average income, around here.
But then, again, those people don't drive BMW's nor mercedes... they go for Fiat, Renault, Peugeot, Opel or Seat.... stuff on the sub-20k range.
But I'd like to see those who go for BMW's and Mercs to switch to something like a Tesla.
I already see a few people going for hybrids, like the Prius, so I guess there's a market on this side of the pond!

THat depends, I don't see many people here driving mercedes (But I'm not from Lisbon), but I see lots of people with BMW - My stepdad only buys BMW's and now he has a mercedes, and he has average income

Entry level Mercedes and BMW only cost about 20% more than the price of the median priced new car sold in the US, should be within reach of the roughly median income family in much of the US.

Mid range Mercedes and BMW, and entry level Tesla cost twice as much, and would appear to be targeted at family making $150K or above in yearly gross income based on the 20/4/10 rule often used in the American auto industry, which sets car affordability to having a Gross monthly income equal to 10 times the monthly payment of a 4 year car loan, with 20% down.