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In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.

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In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:02 am
(September 21, 2014 at 12:57 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Celestine is sooo different and unique. We should grant his username its own special color so that everyone can know just how different he is.
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:03 am
(September 21, 2014 at 12:53 am)Rhythm Wrote: So, your go to explanation for my stance was clearly the notion that I held some undefined grudge against religion (not even sure how that would be possible...btw). Failing that, radio silence? The whole "grudge against religion" bit, Celestine, is just something that holymen tell their flocks in order to dodge difficult criticism, and..let's face it, as part of a job security strategy. Have I ever failed to lay out why I put forward the positions that I do in our conversations? No, I have not. So why then, do I find myself being approached from such a ludicrous (and pious) angle? If you've been reading, you -know- why I say the things that I do. I'm a wordy motherfucker - I leave very little open to wonder or interpretation when it comes to my stance on religion.

I have nothing to hold a grudge for, no source of resentment, no event or goings on to be bitter about. I've led a fortunate life. I don't have the deconversion sob story that you are desperately reaching for. I've never been a believer, and I wasn't forced to attend services by my family. Hell, I never even got diddled by a priest - but maybe I just wasn't pretty enough? Boo-hoo, woe is me, it's all religions fault - and all that jazz.....

For claiming not to be bitter your character seems to betray you, in the book 'the shepherd of hermas' there is a quote that "The bearing of a grudge worketh death"

You claim not to have a grudge and that could be true but you seem very bitter if not even able to recognize it yourself. Bitterness is a lot like a grudge except it is a knife in which we plunge into our own hearts so that they may become hollow, in this way a grudge does worketh death not of the person we hold the grudge against but our own emotional death that disconnects us from ourselves. You claim you're not bitter, and that may be so, but your character presents that you are.
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:04 am
(September 21, 2014 at 12:57 am)Zidneya Wrote:
(September 21, 2014 at 12:50 am)ShaMan Wrote: Do my beliefs (which you may only presume) make you view me as antagonistic toward a belief in god(s)?
Okay now I'm curious. Who's in your ignore list?
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:07 am (This post was last modified: September 21, 2014 at 1:12 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The entirety of your argument is to insist that I have an undefined grudge or bitterness despite my informing you that I do not. Yeah..you're gonna get a whole lot of traction with this one - I can already tell......Jerkoff

Please, don't let the fact that your position is idiotic stop you from further amusing me with words and stuff.
(I'll give you bonus points if you can work in something about my "hardened heart" next)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:09 am
(September 21, 2014 at 1:07 am)Rhythm Wrote: Jerkoff
Mind gravity sir...
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:10 am
Jesus Christ Celestine, are you as obnoxious in RL as you are on here? Do you have anything to offer others besides your lame arm-chair diagnoses?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:12 am
(September 21, 2014 at 1:07 am)Rhythm Wrote: Please, don't let the fact that your position is idiotic stop you from further amusing me with words and stuff.
Funniest guy ever award!
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:15 am (This post was last modified: September 21, 2014 at 1:16 am by Celestine.)
(September 21, 2014 at 1:07 am)Rhythm Wrote: The entirety of your argument is to insist that I have an undefined grudge despite my informing you that I do not. Yeah..you're gonna get a whole lot of traction with this one - I can already tell......Jerkoff

Please, don't let the fact that your position is idiotic stop you from further amusing me with words and stuff.

If you are not bitter from where comes your insistence on being so rude? To mock others? These are all signs of bitterness as I once held bitterness in my heart and acted as you act now.

(September 21, 2014 at 1:10 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Jesus Christ Celestine, are you as obnoxious in RL as you are on here? Do you have anything to offer others besides your lame arm-chair diagnoses?

Soon I hope I can be.
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:15 am (This post was last modified: September 21, 2014 at 1:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
What can I say Shaman, I've got your number.

Has it ever occurred to you, Celestine - that in our conversations - it comes from reading your asinine thought-droppings? That's just one possible explanation of many that I present for your consideration.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In need of a more humbleness. Why condemning the Theistic position makes no sense.
September 21, 2014 at 1:18 am
(September 21, 2014 at 1:03 am)Celestine Wrote: For claiming not to be bitter your character seems to betray you, in the book 'the shepherd of hermas' there is a quote that "The bearing of a grudge worketh death"

You claim not to have a grudge and that could be true but you seem very bitter if not even able to recognize it yourself. Bitterness is a lot like a grudge except it is a knife in which we plunge into our own hearts so that they may become hollow, in this way a grudge does worketh death not of the person we hold the grudge against but our own emotional death that disconnects us from ourselves. You claim you're not bitter, and that may be so, but your character presents that you are.

Is this... honestly the extent of your argument? Nothing more than an attack on the character of the arguer, rather than the content of the argumentation?

"You don't agree with me, so there must be something wrong with you!" The catch cry of the religious-minded who can't approach an argument on its own terms, and so seeks to bring down the person daring to disagree with them via ad hominems. How dishonest. Dodgy
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