@darwanian lol yeah its clear but i didnt thought that you guys think the idea of God is that extreme like the example you mentioned
and i also want to ask you what is the kind of evidence you think will be satisfying for atheists to prove that there is God?

(June 21, 2010 at 6:06 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: @darwanian lol yeah its clear but i didnt thought that you guys think the idea of that there is God is that extreme like the example you mentioned

Why not.. You should remember that to someone like me, the concept of God is absolutely no different from the concept of Zeus, Odin, Apollo, the tooth fairy, santa claus, Jesus, Moses, etc. etc. and they all have exactly the same chance of existing, i.e. practically zero

(June 21, 2010 at 6:06 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: @darwanian lol yeah its clear but i didnt thought that you guys think the idea of God is that extreme like the example you mentioned
and i also want to ask you what is the kind of evidence you think will be satisfying for atheists to prove that there is God?

Why do you keep insisting we should be interested in disproving God? I'm not spending any of my time what-so-ever attempting to disprove the existence of an ambiguous concept, what i will do however is assess claims of the existence of such a being and then decide whether or not the claimant has met the burden of proof.

Sadly for you this god fella is imaginary, which would mean meeting your burden of proof is impossible.

But feel free to enjoy your delusion all the same...

(June 21, 2010 at 3:59 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

Quote:Conclusive proof that god exists, fact there is none, and that doesn't make 50% it makes, like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
Because what the bible and most religious books say have been proven to be false.

so the reason is not the lack of evidence its the lack of evidence plus the mistakes in the scriptures you have read. that makes more sense and that is what i meant by the reasons for being an atheist but i think that you just read the bible

Sorry mo3taz...the fact remains that all here HAVE read the bible, Qu'ran, torah and a plethora of other traditional texts (Upanishads etc)

We have been very curious and have read extensively so as to make firm decisions as to our point of view on the topic. Please stop treating us as though we are ignorant little children....we out grew that crap eons ago.

The burden of 'proof' is on YOU as YOU are making the claim of the existence of a deity / creature/ entity

Quite frankly mate I think you are just talking to yourself when you "pray" to this "god" of yours.

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(June 21, 2010 at 6:42 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

(June 21, 2010 at 6:19 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(June 21, 2010 at 6:15 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: plz guys am confirming again that this is not the reasons that made me believe. thats just the first stage i passed through which am interested to know from you wether there was answers for these questions in your opinion and some of these questions i found answers for later but i just want to know how you guys think from an atheist point of view

And we have answered you mo3taz...what is your issue here??

I am thinking that a lack of understanding english could be your issue.

who told you am talking to you?lol. am just confirming that so no one think that this is the main reasons of my beliefs i mentioned that in the main thread but i just wanted to put it as a post to be clear
my english is not that bad

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And I am talking to you (do have the decency to feel privileged - lol) Your english is NOT good, it is quite bad and bordering on offensive.

(June 21, 2010 at 6:42 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:

(June 21, 2010 at 5:07 am)Darwinian Wrote:

(June 21, 2010 at 3:51 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: I was born in a Muslim family

Say no more.

my parents is not religious no one was forcing anything on me and if they were having blind faith for any reason that was not suitable for me and thats why i started searching for reasons and understanding of different beliefs and believe me if i found that there is errors in islam or a prove that it is not from god i would at least changed my beliefs even if i dont tell anyone and of course would not become religious

Your search is commendable mo3taz...your english needs work though....unfortunately I am not versed in your language ...which is it by the way??

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(June 21, 2010 at 6:06 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: @darwanian lol yeah its clear but i didnt thought that you guys think the idea of God is that extreme like the example you mentioned
and i also want to ask you what is the kind of evidence you think will be satisfying for atheists to prove that there is God?

Evidence??



The "guy" knocks on my door and inivite him in for a cuppa. "He" WILL wipe his bloody feet FIRST before doing so!!

Yeah...that should do it.

@KichigaiNeko i always thought that as you are saying about atheists knowing most skriptures but yet most of you here are saying ebrahamic god when god is diffirent in the 3 ebrahamic religions thats gave me the idea that you only read the bible. and you always guys accuse the Quran with things in the bible and the torah even in some atheist books or articles they do the same i hope that if someone have read the Quran to open a thread about that

(June 22, 2010 at 7:21 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: if you are searching for the truth any book that claims its from god is worthy of attention and not only reading but also deep studying

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But it's not from god.

It is just another book written by men to control others.

(June 22, 2010 at 7:55 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(June 22, 2010 at 7:21 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: if you are searching for the truth any book that claims its from god is worthy of attention and not only reading but also deep studying

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But it's not from god.

It is just another book written by men to control others.

Not to mention that there is no god. Just because some crazy (or lying) guy came out of a cave and said god talked to him, doesn't make any of it true.

Quote:But it's not from god.

It is just another book written by men to control others.

give me your reasons and evidence for this

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Quote:Not to mention that there is no god. Just because some crazy (or lying) guy came out of a cave and said god talked to him, doesn't make any of it true.

you can convince yourself of that and believe it without a reason but if you are really seeking the truth and want to know if there is god or not you have to study the scriptures and use logic and reasons to get an answer