(October 27, 2014 at 6:43 pm)abaris Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:35 pm)trmof Wrote: No, you are positing they are the same because a religious book says so. Allah was the name of a Persian pagan moon god long before the existence of Islam or any connection to Judeo-Christianity.

And Yahweh was originally and ugarit god. Ugaritic texts, discovered in the ruins of the ancient city of Ugarit in 1928, have shed new light on the origins and development of the early Jewish religion. The chief god was El, and his wife was Asherah. They had seventy divine children, characterized as the stars of El. Among them was Baal, Astarte, Anat, the sun-goddess Shapshu, the moon god Yerak, and Yahweh. The servants of the divine household of the gods were messenger-gods. These appear to be what the Old Testament later refer to as angels.

And once again, how about your stance that many christians believe in the existence of many gods in light of this? Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

Not letting you off the hook.

The word Hebrew word for "Lord" means "existing one;" the word used here for God, is the plural "gods." This would seem to imply in context that he is declaring himself the creator of the gods.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:No, you are positing they are the same because a religious book says so. Allah was the name of a Persian pagan moon god long before the existence of Islam or any connection to Judeo-Christianity.

Actually, I am posting this because linguists and historians (educationally - though not professionally - I fall into the second category) agree on this issue, it's got bugger all to do with what books on religion say..

'Elohim' (the Hebrew cognate of 'Allah') originally referred to an entire Canaanite pantheon. But the fact remains that Bibles printed in Arabic use 'Allah' for 'God' and it is universally understood to mean the God of Abraham.

Boru

Elohim is Hebrew for god or gods plural. It is not the name that God gives himself. That name is YHWH.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm)trmof Wrote: The word Hebrew word for "Lord" means "existing one;" the word used here for God, is the plural "gods." This would seem to imply in context that he is declaring himself the creator of the gods.

How does that answer my question? Either there's one god or there are many or there are none? How do they differ?

Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

Not letting you off the hook.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:43 pm)trmof Wrote: Claiming factual knowledge that a god or gods cannot possibly exist. As irrational as that is, it is much more common than you would think.

So we are at lower case gods now. What is your definition of those?

Already defined those earlier.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:43 pm)abaris Wrote: And Yahweh was originally and ugarit god. Ugaritic texts, discovered in the ruins of the ancient city of Ugarit in 1928, have shed new light on the origins and development of the early Jewish religion. The chief god was El, and his wife was Asherah. They had seventy divine children, characterized as the stars of El. Among them was Baal, Astarte, Anat, the sun-goddess Shapshu, the moon god Yerak, and Yahweh. The servants of the divine household of the gods were messenger-gods. These appear to be what the Old Testament later refer to as angels.

And once again, how about your stance that many christians believe in the existence of many gods in light of this? Isaiah 45:5: I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

Not letting you off the hook.

The word Hebrew word for "Lord" means "existing one;" the word used here for God, is the plural "gods." This would seem to imply in context that he is declaring himself the creator of the gods.

No, the Hebrew for Lord is 'adon' (plural 'adonai') and means 'master'.

Boru

This is a thread about hard atheism versus agnostic atheism. Those commenting on other subjects have derailed it and tried to turn the conversation around to attacking me and my religion. I have only reciprocated in kind when asked to. I will field no other replies that are off topic.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm)trmof Wrote: The word Hebrew word for "Lord" means "existing one;" the word used here for God, is the plural "gods." This would seem to imply in context that he is declaring himself the creator of the gods.

No, the Hebrew for Lord is 'adon' (plural 'adonai') and means 'master'.

Boru

You are unaware of the existence of synonyms and failed to look up the verse you quoted. I'm done wasting time with you.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:54 pm)trmof Wrote: This is a thread about hard atheism versus agnostic atheism. Those commenting on other subjects have derailed it and tried to turn the conversation around to attacking me and my religion. I have only reciprocated in kind when asked to. I will field no other replies that are off

Noted, you won't or can't adress the falacies in your arguments.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:54 pm)trmof Wrote: This is a thread about hard atheism versus agnostic atheism. Those commenting on other subjects have derailed it and tried to turn the conversation around to attacking me and my religion. I have only reciprocated in kind when asked to. I will field no other replies that are off topic.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, the Hebrew for Lord is 'adon' (plural 'adonai') and means 'master'.

Boru

You are unaware of the existence of synonyms and failed to look up the verse you quoted. I'm done wasting time with you.

I accept your capitulation. You must be tired of getting things wrong.

For the record, what verse do you think I looked up?

Boru

(October 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Chas Wrote: You have provided no evidence for your claims that any of them were 'hard atheists' or that that was what motivated them.

You are not very good at critical thinking.

And you are delusional.

I am not required to provide evidence for their motivations as no such evidence exists.

You made a claim about their motivations. Support it or shut the fuck up.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:33 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm)Chas Wrote: Our laws are not based on the Bible, and libertarianism is a toy philosophy.

You seem to enjoy dismissing things much more than having conversations of more than one or two sentences. You also repeat yourself a lot. It makes one wonder why you spend your time on a discussion forum in the first place.

I dismiss claims for which you provide no evidence. You have not even attempted to support your assertions.

I would happily discuss anything of substance, but you have presented no such thing.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: [quote='trmof' pid='783704' dateline='1414450454']
This is a thread about hard atheism versus agnostic atheism. Those commenting on other subjects have derailed it and tried to turn the conversation around to attacking me and my religion. I have only reciprocated in kind when asked to. I will field no other replies that are off topic.

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You are unaware of the existence of synonyms and failed to look up the verse you quoted. I'm done wasting time with you.

I accept your capitulation. You must be tired of getting things wrong.

For the record, what verse do you think I looked up?

Boru
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Isaiah 45:5. The Hebrew word here is YHWH. Why it was translated as Lord is anybody's guess.

I have a non-sarcastic question: If perfect bionic eyes existed or full eye transplants were possible, and a person you never met contacted you out of the blue and said God told them to purchase you a new eye, would you consider this evidence of the existence of God?

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote: [quote='trmof' pid='783679' dateline='1414449077']

I am not required to provide evidence for their motivations as no such evidence exists.

You made a claim about their motivations. Support it or shut the fuck up.

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:33 pm)trmof Wrote: You seem to enjoy dismissing things much more than having conversations of more than one or two sentences. You also repeat yourself a lot. It makes one wonder why you spend your time on a discussion forum in the first place.

I dismiss claims for which you provide no evidence. You have not even attempted to support your assertions.

I would happily discuss anything of substance, but you have presented no such thing.
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For which claim did I provide no evidence?

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(October 27, 2014 at 7:09 pm)trmof Wrote: [quote='BrianSoddingBoru4' pid='783706' dateline='1414450611']

I accept your capitulation. You must be tired of getting things wrong.

For the record, what verse do you think I looked up?

Boru

Isaiah 45:5. The Hebrew word here is YHWH. Why it was translated as Lord is anybody's guess.

I have a non-sarcastic question: If perfect bionic eyes existed or full eye transplants were possible, and a person you never met contacted you out of the blue and said God told them to purchase you a new eye, would you consider this evidence of the existence of God?

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(October 27, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote: You made a claim about their motivations. Support it or shut the fuck up.

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I dismiss claims for which you provide no evidence. You have not even attempted to support your assertions.

I would happily discuss anything of substance, but you have presented no such thing.

Fair enough, if you are able to provide me with evidence of my own motivations, I will provide you with evidence of their motivations.

(October 27, 2014 at 6:52 pm)trmof Wrote:

(October 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm)Alex K Wrote: So we are at lower case gods now. What is your definition of those?

Already defined those earlier.

Just went through the thread, you didn't. All you said is that they would possess powers incomprehensible to humans. Is that all you got?