(November 2, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Rob216 Wrote: I'm not a Christian but thanks for not not being prejudice (smh)

Well apologies, just bare in mind 90% of the people that come here saying stuff like that are christian. So which god flavor do you pick?

Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.

There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations but they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

(November 2, 2014 at 11:45 pm)Christian Wrote: Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: hot, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc.

You're right. And do you know that it's been documented under laboratory conditions that a colony of bacteria can evolve the ability to digest nylon, a material that did not exist in any form before 1935?

Quote:There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations but they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

The problem you're having is in thinking that this is just a matter of generations, that after X number of generations a new species will automatically be generated. This is untrue; the arrival of new species is based on the selection pressures facing a given organism, as well as time. In the case of bacteria and fruit flies, they are well settled into their ecological niches to such a degree that there isn't a requirement for rapid change merely to survive. You can see the same thing, by the way, with sharks; given that they are apex predators, they don't have the same kind of selection pressures that other species have to deal with.

That said, evolution has never just been about the generation of new species. In actuality, evolution is genetic change over successive generations in a population of organisms, which is easily demonstrable, such as in the nylon-digestion example I gave earlier, and many others. The fact that you didn't actually know what evolution was before you saw fit to talk about it speaks volumes about your willingness to approach this topic honestly, and with anything other than your knee-jerk, thoughtless creationist distortions.

Christian, really, you should learn about what something is before you argue against it.

Nothing in the entire library of knowledge about evolution would point to an idea that a species or organism must evolve into some new, wildly different organism over time.

Bacteria have shown to evolve new abilities that weren't there before. The very fact that there are so many different species of bacteria is proof of evolution. Bacteria are extremely good at what they do. They are remarkable in their ability to adapt to new environments and metabolize different substances. If an organism is highly adaptable and suited to many different environments, you wouldn't expect it to speciate, would you? If it is doing well in it's environment, wouldn't there be more deleterious mutations?

@Lemonvariable72 Yea I'm not going there. The last time I gave out information about myself someone used it to attack me on a personal level. I get that we all have the ability to hide behind computer screens on here but if that person had said what they said in person there would have been problems, and I have a very laid back personality. Besides, I hate religion so I couldn't really put it into a category anyways. ($10 says someone will quote this and use it to bash me)

(November 3, 2014 at 12:05 am)Rob216 Wrote: @Lemonvariable72 Yea I'm not going there. The last time I gave out information about myself someone used it to attack me on a personal level. I get that we all have the ability to hide behind computer screens on here but if that person had said what they said in person there would have been problems, and I have a very laid back personality. Besides, I hate religion so I couldn't really put it into a category anyways. ($10 says someone will quote this and use it to bash me)

Well, then hang around a bit and after a while, you'll know whether you feel comfortable to share more. What is supposed to be used to bash you? That you hate religion? HYPOCRITE! Now give me my 10 bucks!

Ok that actually made me laugh out loud

(November 3, 2014 at 12:05 am)Rob216 Wrote: @Lemonvariable72 Yea I'm not going there. The last time I gave out information about myself someone used it to attack me on a personal level. I get that we all have the ability to hide behind computer screens on here but if that person had said what they said in person there would have been problems, and I have a very laid back personality. Besides, I hate religion so I couldn't really put it into a category anyways. ($10 says someone will quote this and use it to bash me)

I bash thee against the stones, like a child of some conquered people, in accordance with the instructions of the god of the conquerors!

Easiest $10!

(November 3, 2014 at 4:10 am)Rob216 Wrote: Ok that actually made me laugh out loud

But seriously, being a believer and rejecting organized religion sounds more reasonable than following a church. In the case of christianity they are so far away in spirit from what the Jesus figure says, it's not even funny. But of course, the holy books are also man made fabrications, so if you must believe in God(s), I guess it's best to invent your own faith. Just be skeptical if you think you are receiving instructions or opinions from that god, whether it's not your prejudice speaking.